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WHAT IS PAUL TEACHING?
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It is saying that those who hear the law are just.One must be a doer of the law in order to be justified.Anyone can hear Gods law and believe.One must put those laws to practice. Also one must have faith.Following laws is just a part of it.Faith in God will find you favor with God.Faith in God is the key.
Galatians 3:11 says this,11 Moreover, it is evident that by law no one is declared righteous with God, because “the righteous one will live by reason of faith.”
Law means nothing without works.By faith one is declared righteous.It is not just hearing the law.Doers of the law, and those who have faith, are the ones who truly serve God.
YOUR COMMENT MEANS WELL, BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT GALATIANS 3 IS SAYING. I WILL ELABORATE MORE IN A LITTLE AS MORE PEOPLE POST.
YES FAITH IS IMPORTANT, BUT FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS "DEAD" AS JAMES SAYS. AND WE READ ABRAHAM HAD FAITH, BUT WE FORGET THIS...
Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
HERE AGAIN, FAITH AND LAWS. BUT THAT DOES NOT ANSWER MY PAUL QUESTION.
LET ME ASK YOU THIS...HOW MANY SETS OF LAWS WOULD PAUL HAVE BEEN FAMILIAR WITH IN HIS LIFETIME AND CAN THE WORD "LAW" MEAN MORE THAN ONE SET OF LAWS POSSIBLY?
YES FAITH IS IMPORTANT, BUT FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS "DEAD" AS JAMES SAYS. AND WE READ ABRAHAM HAD FAITH, BUT WE FORGET THIS...
Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
HERE AGAIN, FAITH AND LAWS. BUT THAT DOES NOT ANSWER MY PAUL QUESTION.
LET ME ASK YOU THIS...HOW MANY SETS OF LAWS WOULD PAUL HAVE BEEN FAMILIAR WITH IN HIS LIFETIME AND CAN THE WORD "LAW" MEAN MORE THAN ONE SET OF LAWS POSSIBLY?
Do you honestly believe that typing in all caps does anything other than irritate the reader?
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nazz
Doubting Thomas
There is no contradiction. Since none can do all the law perfectly none are justified by it.
NOT PERFORMING THE LAW PERFECTLY IS AN EXCUSE TO JUSTIFY SINNING. IN SCRIPTURE IT SAYS MANY TIMES GOD DEMANDS PERFECTION. GOD DOES NOT ACCEPT LESS THAN 100% PERFECT BEHAVIOR. JESUS DOES NOT LIKE SINNERS. THIS IS NOT THE ANSWER, BUT A DOGMATIC TRY (NO OFFENSE).
I AM ASKING YOU FOLKS...BEFORE I POST...WHAT LAWS WAS PAUL EXPOSED TO?
AND WE WILL BE JUDGED BY OUR WORKS. JESUS AND THE OT ARE CLEAR. HERE ARE SCRIPTURES TO BACK UP MY CLAIMS BEFORE I ANSWER THE QUESTION...
GOD DEMANDS PERFECTION JUST AS OUR HIGH SCHOOL TEACHERS WANTED US TO MAKE AN A+ ON EVERY TEST...
Deu 18:13 Thou shalt be perfect with the LORD thy God.
1Ki 8:61 Let your heart therefore be perfect with the LORD our God, to walk in his statutes, and to keep his commandments, as at this day.
Mat 5:48 That is why you must be perfect as your Father in heaven is perfect.
YOU WILL BE JUDGED BY YOUR WORKS (KEEPING THE LAW)...
(Rev 20:12) And I saw the dead, the small and the great, standing before God. And books were opened. And another Book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged out of the things written in the books, according to their works.
(Rev 20:13) And the sea gave up the dead in it. And death and hell gave up the dead in them. And they were each judged according to their works. (the second resurrection)
Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Mat 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
I AM ASKING YOU FOLKS...BEFORE I POST...WHAT LAWS WAS PAUL EXPOSED TO?
AND WE WILL BE JUDGED BY OUR WORKS. JESUS AND THE OT ARE CLEAR. HERE ARE SCRIPTURES TO BACK UP MY CLAIMS BEFORE I ANSWER THE QUESTION...
GOD DEMANDS PERFECTION JUST AS OUR HIGH SCHOOL TEACHERS WANTED US TO MAKE AN A+ ON EVERY TEST...
Deu 18:13 Thou shalt be perfect with the LORD thy God.
1Ki 8:61 Let your heart therefore be perfect with the LORD our God, to walk in his statutes, and to keep his commandments, as at this day.
Mat 5:48 That is why you must be perfect as your Father in heaven is perfect.
YOU WILL BE JUDGED BY YOUR WORKS (KEEPING THE LAW)...
(Rev 20:12) And I saw the dead, the small and the great, standing before God. And books were opened. And another Book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged out of the things written in the books, according to their works.
(Rev 20:13) And the sea gave up the dead in it. And death and hell gave up the dead in them. And they were each judged according to their works. (the second resurrection)
Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Mat 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
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God would never demand perfection from imperfect humans.That's like expecting someone without legs to walk.When it speaks of being perfect in the NT,it does not men to be a literal perfect human.It speaks of becoming perfect in the sense of becoming a man of God.A new person.The armor of God.Getting rid of the old personality.To be a loving person and do to others as you would have them do unto you.To be whole.A true christian.Here is an example of what I speak of.
Matthew 5:47,48. "If you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? 48"Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
It is quite clear Paul received his messages directly from Jesus during his visions and did not have time to process them but recited them as he received them. This is very similar to the prophet Mohammed who also never questioned what he was hearing, but recited what he could recall.
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Paul received his message with love from Jesus Christ.Mohammad claimed to have been choked by Gabriel the angel and threatened.He was instructed to write down what he was told from memory.Islam was invented 600 years after Jesus walked the earth.
What does what Paul received have to do with Islam? What does any of this have to do with the true meaning of the word perfect?
I believe the word is "complete"...meaning to reach the fullness, or to be completed.
Or, by extension, be perfected. Not be perfect, as in always have been, but to reach the end, which is perfection.
I doubt very sincerely that the implication is that those wearing white are imperfect in their way.
As far as the verses go...I'll look at the context and be right back...maybe.
Or, by extension, be perfected. Not be perfect, as in always have been, but to reach the end, which is perfection.
I doubt very sincerely that the implication is that those wearing white are imperfect in their way.
As far as the verses go...I'll look at the context and be right back...maybe.
Simple.
Paul was affirming two truths and by doing so revealing the problem that all mankind faced. The problem that only the Atonement of Jesus would overcome.
1) Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
This means exactly what it says. doers of the Law shall be justified. The Torah says that all who do not do all the law will be cursed. So the only way to be Justified by the Law is by doing all the law without fault or failure.
2) Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God,
This is also true. WHY.. Because no man has ever done the law without fault or failure, Therefore once a person fails to do the law once the curse of failing to do the Law is upon him. So Paul was correct that No human being will be justified in the sight of God through their efforts at Law doing. Because all men fail in that endeavor.
Paul was first establishing the Law as the measure of righteousness in the minds of the listeners and then revealing how the Law reveals why all men are condemned. Because all men fail in doing the Law.
It is in conflict. Paul is noted for speaking from both sides of his mouth. He was a Pharisee before he converted to Christianity. So he has one leg in Judaism and the other in Christianity. He quotes the old laws and revises them to suit the new Christian doctrines.
First of all...Paul has nothing to do with Christianity and neither does Jesus. NOTHING. The start of Christianity was done by others and they manipulated and skewed Paul blasphemously to deceive people that are not understanding what happened.
The answer to my question is very simple. Paul is talking about 2 sets of laws. One is Mosaic Law and one is called Jewish oral law, which he was a part of, and then left. Paul went back to straight Torah Law and quit Jewish oral law. This is why one Law is for the riteous and one law has nothing to do with God at all.
Jesus nailed "dogma" to the cross - not the Law. Paul talks down about oral law and says this cannot help you.
Once you realize Paul is talking about 2 sets of law your understanding of the bible will jump.
The answer to my question is very simple. Paul is talking about 2 sets of laws. One is Mosaic Law and one is called Jewish oral law, which he was a part of, and then left. Paul went back to straight Torah Law and quit Jewish oral law. This is why one Law is for the riteous and one law has nothing to do with God at all.
Jesus nailed "dogma" to the cross - not the Law. Paul talks down about oral law and says this cannot help you.
Once you realize Paul is talking about 2 sets of law your understanding of the bible will jump.
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The name Christianity comes from the word Christ.Jesus was the chosen one.He is the Son of God.To be a Christian means to be Christ like.To be as Christ was.Paul was a disciple of Jesus Christ.
The Jewish oral law back then that they denounced is now codified into what is called the "Babylonian Talmud" and it is the doctrine of Judaism - not Torah Law. Jesus denounced this in verses such as this...
Mar 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
Mar 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Paul said this. The Greek word for ordinances is the word "DOGMA". dogma is religion. This verse is not Mosaic Law...
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Mar 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
Mar 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Paul said this. The Greek word for ordinances is the word "DOGMA". dogma is religion. This verse is not Mosaic Law...
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;