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WHAT IS PAUL TEACHING?
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I don't think I can reply to this without offending you. So I will not.
Yes
Oh how I love the Word of God!
We do not have to observe special days. All the special days were about Jesus. We do not have to observe special days, we are to observe Jesus everyday all day. Jesus is our Sabbath Rest.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
Really? Ok.
Yes
Oh how I love the Word of God!
You cannot defend your false beliefs, so what else can you say and do.
Theodore A. Jones
Active Member
Yes. Paul is difficult to understand if you do not recognize or have been taught incorrect interpretations of his writings. Regarding the texts that you've cited. In Rom. 2:13 he is referencing the law that was added because of Jesus' ascension Heb. 7:12, and in Gal.3:11, he is referencing the Sinai code which he sometimes describes as the written code or law written on stones for example. Paul's soteriological argument is that observance of the written code cannot result in being declared righteous by God. He also refers to the written code as the law of sin and death. With that said here is the tough part and it is crunch time.
The other side of Paul's and all the other apostles' soteriological argument is that you must obey the law Paul is referencing in Rom. 2:13, or perish. No matter what you've been taught and believe that is the cold hard fact.The other cold hard fact is that you've never previously been taught how or the Way God must be obeyed to be saved by any contemporary church or religious organization and that is the fact.
Yes
Oh how I love the Word of God!
Paul TAUGHT THE SAME THING TO JEWS. Paul taught the same thing to Jews, Gentiles, and Greeks.
Acts 20:21 I have declared to both Jews and Greeks that they must turn to God in repentance and have faith in our Lord Jesus.
Acts 26:20 First to those in Damascus, then to those in Jerusalem and in all Judea, and to the Gentiles also, I preached that they should repent and turn to God and prove their repentance by their deeds.
Did you read that?!
Since you read that, will you stop preaching against Paul, and against the Gentiles?
Will you stop preaching against God's Truth?
Who are these people who think they know God and can say anything?
Simplelogic
Well-Known Member
Yes
Oh how I love the Word of God!
Paul proves you wrong. That is wrong how?
Theodore A. Jones
Active Member
You are correct that Paul is referencing the OT code in Gal. 3:19.
However he is not referencing religious dogma, interpretations, in ROM.2:13.
psalmist23
New Member
You point to Romans chapter 2:13. Here Paul rightfully says: “For not the hearers of the law are justified before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.”
Paul is saying, that some people merely were ‘pretending’ to know the law – but how could they know the law, if they did not keep the law according to their deeds, as the law requires, but only by their words?
This is also seen in the verse before, Romans 2:12. “All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law.” Here, Paul is essentially saying what James is also saying. “For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.” (James 2:10).
Basically, both of these writers are saying that all of mankind has been placed in quite a predicament. If we don’t have the law, we will perish, yet if we do have the law, but violate the law in just one area of our lives (and all have fallen short of the glory of God; read Romans 3:23), then we are doomed as well.
Like I said: what a predicament! Yes, as Paul and James point out, if we FULLY DO according to the law (i.e. keep the law), then we shall be made righteous. Yet, as Paul points out in Romans 3:23, and James in James 2:10, this is impossible! So what are we to do?! We are doomed if we do, and we are doomed if we don’t. Has there ever existed such a man, that he was able to keep the law at all times throughout his entire life? That is, a man who was truly righteous?
In Romans 3:21 we find the answer to this question, and it gives the whole point, which the before verses had led up to: "But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe.”
Here is the point! Men either toil and labor in their attempt to please God in their own strength (and not by faith), yet this is impossible, because we are all sinners by nature. Yet that curse has been broken through faith in the One who was – and is – without sin, the spotless Lamb of God, who takes away the sins of the world. He is indeed the Messiah of God, the Son of the living God.
So, as you see, in the first instance, Paul points to the truth about the law – that we’ll live if we keep it, and die if we don’t – and that since no one is able of keeping it, hence all are on the pathway to death (to perish, that is). No ordinary man can keep the law fully, thus being justified according to his deeds before God. And this is what Paul is essentially saying in the other verse you mentioned, Galatians 3:22, “But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God…” So you see, there is no contradiction here.
Yes, faith indeed has to do with works, but only works of faith. If you want to further discuss on that issue, please let me know.
“Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ” (Romans 5:1)
Paul is saying, that some people merely were ‘pretending’ to know the law – but how could they know the law, if they did not keep the law according to their deeds, as the law requires, but only by their words?
This is also seen in the verse before, Romans 2:12. “All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law.” Here, Paul is essentially saying what James is also saying. “For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.” (James 2:10).
Basically, both of these writers are saying that all of mankind has been placed in quite a predicament. If we don’t have the law, we will perish, yet if we do have the law, but violate the law in just one area of our lives (and all have fallen short of the glory of God; read Romans 3:23), then we are doomed as well.
Like I said: what a predicament! Yes, as Paul and James point out, if we FULLY DO according to the law (i.e. keep the law), then we shall be made righteous. Yet, as Paul points out in Romans 3:23, and James in James 2:10, this is impossible! So what are we to do?! We are doomed if we do, and we are doomed if we don’t. Has there ever existed such a man, that he was able to keep the law at all times throughout his entire life? That is, a man who was truly righteous?
In Romans 3:21 we find the answer to this question, and it gives the whole point, which the before verses had led up to: "But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe.”
Here is the point! Men either toil and labor in their attempt to please God in their own strength (and not by faith), yet this is impossible, because we are all sinners by nature. Yet that curse has been broken through faith in the One who was – and is – without sin, the spotless Lamb of God, who takes away the sins of the world. He is indeed the Messiah of God, the Son of the living God.
So, as you see, in the first instance, Paul points to the truth about the law – that we’ll live if we keep it, and die if we don’t – and that since no one is able of keeping it, hence all are on the pathway to death (to perish, that is). No ordinary man can keep the law fully, thus being justified according to his deeds before God. And this is what Paul is essentially saying in the other verse you mentioned, Galatians 3:22, “But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God…” So you see, there is no contradiction here.
Yes, faith indeed has to do with works, but only works of faith. If you want to further discuss on that issue, please let me know.
“Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ” (Romans 5:1)
WALL
Member
When you say NONE.... you are incorrect again.
WALL
Member
They are not in conflict
The book of Galatians is a book containing 6 very short chapters. In these 6 chapters circumcision is mentioned 16 times. The commandments are not mentioned but once {the schoolmaster}.
Galatians 3 is clearly speaking about the law of circumcision and Romans is talking of the 10 commandments
Paul is teaching that caps lock should be turned off because it brutally hurts people's eyes.
Yes
Oh how I love the Word of God!
Look at your IMAGINE picture that you use for your signature.
I only use all caps once in a while to highlight something important.
Basically, you need to be a doer of law in order to be justified. However, no one is a good doer of law in God's term such that no man is justified by the law.
Yes
Oh how I love the Word of God!
No one is justified by the CEREMONIAL WORKS of the law.
The Jews used to have to justify themselves just to worship God. They justified themselves by getting circumcised, observing special days, doing various external washings, and giving animal sacrifices.
We do not have to do those things anymore, but we still have to obey We do not have to do all the ceremonial works anymore, because faith in Jesus' blood cleans of our sins and makes us justified, not external baths, not special diets and special days...
Theodore A. Jones
Active Member
Rom. 2:12&13 are referencing the law that was added after the Lord's ascension. "Faith" is referencing faith in that fact in Rm. 5:1 Discuss away.