Scott1
Well-Known Member
So Christians, in your opinion, are bound to follow Mosaic Law literally... Or do you mean something else?
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What is sin?
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So Christians, in your opinion, are bound to follow Mosaic Law literally... Or do you mean something else?
Shermana
Heretic
That is exactly what I believe, and that's what 1 John explicitly says. If you say otherwise, prepare to deal with some contradictions.
Scott1
Well-Known Member
Just want to clarify what you are affirming... I might have been born a Jew, but I sadly don't know much about it.
You believe Christians today should follow Torah / 613 mitzvots etc. -- basicly be Jews who believe in Jesus?
That about it?
Shermana
Heretic
The 613 number is a bit off and based on Rabbinical interpretations of the Laws itself, doubling up on some, missing others, etc.
But yeah, that's about it, that's what John, James, and Jesus and Peter were talking about, obeying the Mosaic Law, not the Pharisaic interpretation of it though.
CynthiaCypher
Well-Known Member
Scripture is pretty clear on what constitutes sin. Sin is when you don't do something correctly. When you make an epic fail, when you blunder at something, when try to do something right and the whole thing goes SNAFU.
Sin is missing the mark, you try to hit the target but you end up totally missing the point. You don't get the point, you didn't score and so you lose.
Sin is the failure to be perfect.
Sin is missing the mark, you try to hit the target but you end up totally missing the point. You don't get the point, you didn't score and so you lose.
Sin is the failure to be perfect.
Yes -- as a action.
Within this understanding of sin as error, instead of sin meaning "bad," we can view a sinful nature to mean: It is perfectly human to make errors. (Not as a justification for continuing in error once we see it for what it is, but as a basis for recovery when we blunder in life.)
Instead of justifying separating ourselves from each other based upon the concept of sin, we CAN choose to use it as a unifying concept that since we ALL make mistakes from time to time, there is value in being willing to forgive others for their error -- (for many reasons) including that, since we all make mistakes, any one of us might be looking for forgiveness tomorrow.
Asking for or granting forgiveness with each other releases the bitter and restores the sweetness to life.
cablescavenger
Well-Known Member
Aside from it being in your online name twice :yes:
Sinning can hardly show someone doesn't love their God since God sinned in the bible.
Perhaps sinning is a way of being closer to God?
Shermana
Heretic
G-d doesn't sin beacuse sin is going against G-d's commandments. If you think G-d is sinning somewhere, you're probably taking it well out of context. For instance, if you think G-d sins because he strikes people dead, you're assuming it's always a sin to kill no matter what without any reason or backstory, you might as well say every American soldier is guilty of murder or that a person who shoots a home intruder at night is guilty of murder. The context and intended concept is that G-d always acts within Justice, whether you like the justice or not, there's always a REASON why he kills which is justified according to his playbook. Even if you think the reason is petty, like for chopping trees on Sabbath, the point is that G-d's commandments IS the definition of what is and isn't sin, therefore G-d does not sin because He is always within his defined perameters of Justice.
To say that sinning would get one closer to G-d would be taking the concept so far out of its intended context it'd be a foul ball into the parking lot.
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CynthiaCypher
Well-Known Member
Yes but sin is more than action. Sin is the basic human condition of imperfection. It does not matter what you do because everything you do is marked by your basic condition, thereof all we do is imperfect and therefore sin.Yes -- as a action.
Within this understanding of sin as error, instead of sin meaning "bad," we can view a sinful nature to mean: It is perfectly human to make errors. (Not as a justification for continuing in error once we see it for what it is, but as a basis for recovery when we blunder in life.)
Instead of justifying separating ourselves from each other based upon the concept of sin, we CAN choose to use it as a unifying concept that since we ALL make mistakes from time to time, there is value in being willing to forgive others for their error -- (for many reasons) including that, since we all make mistakes, any one of us might be looking for forgiveness tomorrow.
Asking for or granting forgiveness with each other releases the bitter and restores the sweetness to life.
I guess that we disagree on that point. If I am going to take an interpretation of "sin" from the bible, it has to also correlate with the understanding that after every stage of creation God said something to the effect that, "and it is Good." For me that indicates that all things, as they truly are in their beingness, are essentially Good. (I don't take an interpretation of the Garden of Eden story to mean that "sin" changed who we are or that God rejected us, but that discussion would make this post way too long.)
Sin may involve actions, or states of mind, that extend away from our basic, center of Goodness -- perhaps far extentions -- from our Source. However, I do not believe that as occurances or experiences "sins" have any power to change the essence of who we are. Therefore, I do not consider that they have the power to actually alter our basic Goodness at our very center. However, I believe that we do have the power to deny or attempt to turn against our Source, ourselves, each other -- and therefore, may hold a firm belief that we are disconnected, isolated, unworthy, bad, etc. This can definitely lead to all kinds of negative and destructive attitudes and behaviors that can easily reinforce an idea of flawed to the core.
I also think that there has been quite a lot of willingness on the part of people, whether intentional or not, to promote the idea of our being unworthy based upon the concept of "sin," so that we attempt to prove ourselves and make up for some insufficiency or flaw that we have been convinced that we have. I believe that this has led to all kinds of control agendas that can be submitted to out of fear of believing wrongly. These agendas may even be well-intentioned at times, motivated in part by a desire to be helpful through trying to protect a person from the results of error. But, as I see it, the idea that sin can over-ride the very nature of your being that was given to you by God gives far to much power to something that came after God.
It may be in our nature to "sin" (err) but there is nothing that a person can do or think that actually changes who they are forever. As I see it, we are the Experiencer of life, not the Experience.
If "sin" had the ability to alter who we are, or if it became who we are, we would have no basis for recovery from "sin" when we falter. I think that Jesus cleared up that misunderstanding in the bible with instructions that reveal the value and practical application of forgiveness and not focusing too heavily on our mistakes -- but simply acknowledging them so we see what needs correcting, then correcting them, and then releasing the emotional baggage and judgement of things that did not work well.
swamplizard
Human
Greetings,
Having not read the thread through, I may be repeating someone, if so, my apologies. To me, "sin" consists of one or more of the following: insanity, ignorance, instinctual desparation. It is a concept and not a separate reality. JMHO
best,
swampy
Having not read the thread through, I may be repeating someone, if so, my apologies. To me, "sin" consists of one or more of the following: insanity, ignorance, instinctual desparation. It is a concept and not a separate reality. JMHO
best,
swampy
swamplizard
Human
That is the point. "Sinful" within the societal context is metally designed and only exists within the mental realm. Insanity, ignorance and instinctual desparation are not "sins."
Who among us is completely sane and/or without any form of ignorance?
best,
swampy
davidthegreek
Active Member
do you speak greek?
I feel confident in the places that I do my reading about the language,
and I have some recognition of the language,
but I would be totally lying to say I had much fluency at all in it.
TL
R Basically, no.Why do you ask?
I'd love to know more about it and any insights, corrections, assurances etc.... would be appreciated.
:namaste
Philda Tressie
God Supremist
Sin is anything that causes separation of man/woman from God.
davidthegreek
Active Member
You mentioned a greek word in some answer you gave, and I was just wondering that is all.I feel confident in the places that I do my reading about the language,
and I have some recognition of the language,
but I would be totally lying to say I had much fluency at all in it.
TL
Why do you ask?
I'd love to know more about it and any insights, corrections, assurances etc.... would be appreciated.
:namaste
OurCreed
There is no God but Allah
Sin is simply the displeasure of God. There is no need to go so much into it.
Sin is an act from humans that displeases God, however, nothing is taken away from him.
Similarly, a righteous act is something that pleases God, however, nothing is added to him.
If every human being sinned every day, nothing is subtracted from God, absolutely nothing happens to God, because God is always God, he is the Most High, the Great, and the Lord of all the worlds.
Nothing that we humans do can possibly change that, God is infinitely better than us in all ways.
Likewise, if every human being acts righteously and does good deeds, still, nothing is added to God, God remains The God, the One, The Eternal, the Great.
A sin is simply an act that displeases God, and if God chooses to, he can forgive it, but he expects you to repent, not for his sake, but for your own sake, and your own spiritual development.
This world is meant for us, this world is a test, this entire life and everything in it is OUR test from God, God needs absolutely nothing from us, but we need everything from Him to survive.
Sin is an act from humans that displeases God, however, nothing is taken away from him.
Similarly, a righteous act is something that pleases God, however, nothing is added to him.
If every human being sinned every day, nothing is subtracted from God, absolutely nothing happens to God, because God is always God, he is the Most High, the Great, and the Lord of all the worlds.
Nothing that we humans do can possibly change that, God is infinitely better than us in all ways.
Likewise, if every human being acts righteously and does good deeds, still, nothing is added to God, God remains The God, the One, The Eternal, the Great.
A sin is simply an act that displeases God, and if God chooses to, he can forgive it, but he expects you to repent, not for his sake, but for your own sake, and your own spiritual development.
This world is meant for us, this world is a test, this entire life and everything in it is OUR test from God, God needs absolutely nothing from us, but we need everything from Him to survive.
Yes, God's definition of sin in 1 John 3:4.
I agree whole heatedly with this, sin IS transgression of the law.