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What is Sin?

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Years ago, I was told that sin is "an offense against God". That seemed pretty simple and straight forward to me, but now and then I have heard people speak of sin as an offense against other people. So I'm wondering if they are mistaken about the nature of sin, or if sin is both an offense against God and other people, or what? That is, is sin an offense against someone, and if so, who? And more broadly, what is sin?

This question is mainly for Abrahamics, of course, but anyone can offer their views.
 

Tumah

Veteran Member
I derive my theology from the Hebrew and the Hebrew has a few different words for sin, depending on the circumstances. The most basic word relates to the word for "lacking" and its used for a person who is lacking when it comes to his responsibilities towards G-d or towards man.
 

Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
Maybe I'm still being too obtuse. Let's go to John:

1 John 4:19 We love because he first loved us. 20 Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen. 21 And he has given us this command: Anyone who loves God must also love their brother and sister. NIV

If you sin against anyone, you've sinned against God. If you love anyone, you love God. In fact, that's how you love God.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Maybe I'm still being too obtuse. Let's go to John:

1 John 4:19 We love because he first loved us. 20 Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen. 21 And he has given us this command: Anyone who loves God must also love their brother and sister. NIV

If you sin against anyone, you've sinned against God. If you love anyone, you love God. In fact, that's how you love God.

Thank you for the clarification!
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Nichiren Shonin, a Ten Tai Buddhist monk in his letters used the word sin. In this case it just means transgression or offence. Abrahamics dont have claim on words. Even the word christ is not a person but an adjective. So, people have different views. A lot is based on context and being open minded to other definitions used for a given word.
 

Ben Avraham

Well-Known Member
Years ago, I was told that sin is "an offense against God". That seemed pretty simple and straight forward to me, but now and then I have heard people speak of sin as an offense against other people. So I'm wondering if they are mistaken about the nature of sin, or if sin is both an offense against God and other people, or what? That is, is sin an offense against someone, and if so, who? And more broadly, what is sin?

This question is mainly for Abrahamics, of course, but anyone can offer their views.

Sin can never be an offense against God. What could be an offense against the Creator of the universe? And by who, mortal creatures! No, sin is the transgression of the Law. And to stop sinning, we must obey the Law. That's what Jesus meant when he warned us all to listen to "Moses" aka the Law. That's in Luke 16:29-31.
 

Kelly of the Phoenix

Well-Known Member
A sin is a willful (as opposed to accidental, ignorant, or delusional) thought or action that is out of context with prior evolutionary needs. They harm either the self or others or both, with "harm" being defined as "impairing a living being's rights as implied by Maslow's hierarchy."

All definitions are mine. I concluded them after much thought.
 

Brickjectivity

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
For Christians its a word that changes meanings over time. The interpretation of the word has wildly different effects upon how the NT reads. Most people start with the same definition you have been given, Sunstone, that its an offense against God. This is unfortunate. More than one person has grown up and lived believing that the tiniest mistake is equal to murder. This may sound ridiculous and hard to believe, but it is a common experience owing to this transient definition for 'Sin' over time. Its a single word in English that has multiple meanings in the original languages.
 

Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
Thank you for the clarification!
The old testament is known for all of it's rules and regulations pertaining to living and worshiping God. The emphasis was on strict obedience to these laws .

In spite of the rampant legalism among may Christian sects, Christianity was supposed to eliminate all these laws. You'll see language in Romans and Hebrews about dying to the law. In this regard, Christianity was supposed to move from worrying about making mistakes to worrying about doing loving God by loving others. Consequently, what is a sin has also changed.

James 4:17 If anyone, then, knows the good they ought to do and doesn’t do it, it is sin for them. NIV
 

Ben Avraham

Well-Known Member
Nichiren Shonin, a Ten Tai Buddhist monk in his letters used the word sin. In this case it just means transgression or offence. Abrahamics dont have claim on words. Even the word christ is not a person but an adjective. So, people have different views. A lot is based on context and being open minded to other definitions used for a given word.

Even the word God is just a title. It has nothing to do with the real name of God. There are several names attributed to God but the real one, no one knows. When Moses asked for the real name of God, He answered and said, "Just tell them that "I AM." The closest thing to this is Iahweh which in English would render "Jehovah."
 

Hawkins

Well-Known Member
Years ago, I was told that sin is "an offense against God". That seemed pretty simple and straight forward to me, but now and then I have heard people speak of sin as an offense against other people. So I'm wondering if they are mistaken about the nature of sin, or if sin is both an offense against God and other people, or what? That is, is sin an offense against someone, and if so, who? And more broadly, what is sin?

This question is mainly for Abrahamics, of course, but anyone can offer their views.

God's plan, as He gradually reveals to humans, is to build an eternity we call Heaven for His creatures such as the angels and humans living with Him forever. However God hates something which we call sin. God is said to be completely sin incompatible. Law is thus set up to address what a sin is, so that if any entities with freewill chooses to break the Law in a specified period of time then he's disqualified to enter the final Heaven. That's why there's a Final Judgment to legitimately and openly bring those qualified to Heaven. That's when the New Heaven and New earth starts to run.

However under the influence of Satan, the first lineage of humans sinned when put in Eden (a place inside God's realm). Since then humans are driven out of God's realm, living in the current planet earth where Satan is literally said to be the god of this world. When humans are no longer inside God's realm, with Satan's influence being much stronger, no human can thus enter the final heaven by abiding the Law. This point is proven (by God) so it came the story of Noah. God's purpose for humans (to live the eternal Heaven) was defeated. Humans as a whole will fail the final judgment of God's Law. Thus the existence of earth serves no purpose but a pool of sins which God hates. It's thus time to destroy this pool of sins once and for all (by water).

Satan thus triumphs as he has destroyed God's plan of bringing humans to Heaven. But it's not yet. God has Jesus Christ the savior. Through the blood of Jesus Christ God can now grant a series of covenants as a mean of salvation to humans. A covenant simply says, "since you humans can't abide by God's Law in full, you only need to abide by a set-aside set of rules (such as Mosaic Law) to a said standard, such that you will be saved by God's Grace through Jesus Christ. Each and every covenant serves the main purpose of identifying and thus separating the righteous from the wicked. The righteous thus will be brought to Heaven legitimately under open witnessing (of angels and saints).

Satan (and his angels) on the other hand will stress his influence, humans will thus sin further to an extent that an older covenant may fail in identifying the righteous (the harvest). Then it is time for God to upgrade His covenant to a newer one by granting more Grace, such that His Elect (the righteous) will become savable.

Romans 5:20-21 (NIV2011)
20 The law was brought in so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more,
21 so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.


The New Covenant brought in directly by Jesus Himself became the final covenant because it has the maximum Grace granted. Under this covenant, our salvation is measured by our faith alone. Faith in Christ becomes the only rule (unlike Mosaic Law) applied for us to be saved. You believe with Faith in a correct fashion then you will be saved (brought to the final Heaven) legitimately and openly.

Whether one can fulfill what a covenant said will be judged by Jesus Christ Himself, because all the Grace is granted under His name. His blood gives Him the right to grant the Grace to anyone He wishes though He will judge fairly and He will judge what is deep inside your heart. The angels and saints will also be the witnesses to see if you have fulfilled the covenant. As for the New Covenant, Jesus will judge if your faith qualifies you to enter the final Heaven.

If you are considered (by Jesus Christ) to fail the covenant, then you will be judged by the Law which will sentence you to death (the second death) with whatever consequences it brings.
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
Even the word God is just a title. It has nothing to do with the real name of God. There are several names attributed to God but the real one, no one knows.

i suspect at leat one knows.

When Moses asked for the real name of God, He answered and said, "Just tell them that "I AM." The closest thing to this is Iahweh which in English would render "Jehovah."

I can only imagine what the the reaction was when people asked to Moses: who told you that? And he answered: someone who said He is. I am sure they fell on their knees in awe. Lol.

Maybe we should try to post some emails to [email protected] and see what happens. Or, better, to some older Apple addresses like [email protected].

By the way, in German, something like Iahweh, sounds like "yes, pain". Which does not sound very encouranging.

Ciao

- viole
 

Kemosloby

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?” The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the Law. But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ!…1 cor 15:56

Romans 3:20 Therefore no one will be justified in His sight by works of the Law. For the Law merely brings awareness of sin.

Sin is doing wrong, which we do instinctively, usually as a result of want. We are made aware of our sinful nature by observing the law, as we cringe over the seemingly unrealistic expectations of loving our neighbors as much as our own selves, and huh our enemies too? We fumble over putting these things into practice, set one day aside and give extra special effort, Christmas. And the next day to return gifts. But not all sin leads to death, thanks to God's mercy.

So sin seems to be something that is in us, like a disease of the soul.
 
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Ben Avraham

Well-Known Member
i suspect at leat one knows.

I can only imagine what the the reaction was when people asked to Moses: who told you that? And he answered: someone who said He is. I am sure they fell on their knees in awe. Lol.

Maybe we should try to post some emails to [email protected] and see what happens. Or, better, to some older Apple addresses like [email protected].

By the way, in German, something like Iahweh, sounds like "yes, pain". Which does not sound very encouranging.

Ciao

- viole

As soon as you finish with your jokes, how about answering my question about who or what caused the universe to exist? Because, since the universe is composed of matter and the last time a checked on matter I found it to be mutable and not eternal. If it had a beginning, it is only obvious that it will have an end. So, who or what caused the universe to exist?
 

Ben Avraham

Well-Known Member
Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?” The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the Law. But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ!…1 cor 15:56

Romans 3:20 Therefore no one will be justified in His sight by works of the Law. For the Law merely brings awareness of sin.

Sin is doing wrong, which we do instinctively, usually as a result of want. We are made aware of our sinful nature by observing the law, as we cringe over the seemingly unrealistic expectations of loving our neighbors as much as our own selves, and huh our enemies too? We fumble over putting these things into practice, set one day aside and give extra special effort, Christmas. And the next day to return gifts. But not all sin leads to death, thanks to God's mercy.

So sin seems to be something that is in us, like a disease of the soul.

And the blame rests upon those who have broken the Law by causing themselves the sting of death.
 
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