What is Sin?

[psychoslice]

Ok. if there is NO god, then prove that to me right now, how ever you want to 'prove' it. You must have tangible proof, not just your opinion.

Well there has never been proof of a god, so how can I prove something that has never been proved, can I prove there are no fairies in my garden if you say there is ?. No, you are the one who believes in a god, so to you there is a god, to me personally there isn't, so you have to be the first to show me evidence of your god, then I have something to work with, I either believe him or I don't.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Well there has never been proof of a god, so how can I prove something that has never been proved, can I prove there are no fairies in my garden if you say there is ?. No, you are the one who believes in a god, so to you there is a god, to me personally there isn't, so you have to be the first to show me evidence of your god, then I have something to work with, I either believe him or I don't.

All I have to say is,

2 Corinthians 4:4 (ESV Strong's) 4 In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

 

[psychoslice]

All I have to say is,

2 Corinthians 4:4 (ESV Strong's) 4 In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

Ha, and I wonder who snugged that verse in, the bible was changed many time over many years, and so of course verses like that are going to be implanted.

 

[metis]

If you mean various "instructions", then there are more than ten -but only ten were 'written in stone' -literally and figuratively.
For example.... Obeying God -generally under the first commandment -once meant not eating any animal flesh -then all was allowed -then only some, etc.
Once it meant stoning one caught in the act of adultery -but no longer, etc., etc.
The ten were summed up with love God and neighbor -and all else are built upon the ten -or fall under the ten.

The remaining 603 do not all fall under the Ten, so you might want to actually read the link I supplied you in some detail. Also, Torah says that all 613 are from God, so to just pull out the Ten and then ignore or devalue the rest doesn't fit into what Torah actually says and teaches.

Also what is important was God's order to Moses to create courts, not just for violation of the Law, but also to help spell out some of the details involving the Law.

For example, God says that we as Jews must slaughter animals only in the "prescribed manner", and yet that exact manner is not described in Torah itself. Thus the courts took it upon themselves to elaborate on what are called the kosher Laws.

BTW, do you observe Shabbat, which is obviously one of the Ten and the other 603 Commandments? A reminder that it is an actual day of the week that runs from Friday sundown to Saturday sundown?

 

[Etritonakin]

The remaining 603 do not all fall under the Ten, so you might want to actually read the link I supplied you in some detail. Also, Torah says that all 613 are from God, so to just pull out the Ten and then ignore or devalue the rest doesn't fit into what Torah actually says and teaches.

Also what is important was God's order to Moses to create courts, not just for violation of the Law, but also to help spell out some of the details involving the Law.

For example, God says that we as Jews must slaughter animals only in the "prescribed manner", and yet that exact manner is not described in Torah itself. Thus the courts took it upon themselves to elaborate on what are called the kosher Laws.

BTW, do you observe Shabbat, which is obviously one of the Ten and the other 603 Commandments? A reminder that it is an actual day of the week that runs from Friday sundown to Saturday sundown?

All of the law falls under the ten in one way or another.
All obedience to God falls under the first commandment.

I have studied the subject of the law. I do not need to revisit these points.

That which is not of faith is also sin. If you are convinced that God still requires animal sacrifice, that is between you and God. All such sacrifices foreshadowed that of Christ -which did what those could never truly do, and made such now unnecessary.
You may not be so convinced -but I am. That is between me and God.
When even the serpent will eat dust -and the lion will eat straw like the ox -and they will not hurt or destroy in all his holy mountain -when all nations will go up to Jerusalem to keep the feast of tabernacles or receive no rain -do you still believe God will require that men kill animals?

Psalm 40:6Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required.
7Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,
8I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.

Psalm 51:16For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering.
17The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.
18Do good in thy good pleasure unto Zion: build thou the walls of Jerusalem.
19Then shalt thou be pleased with the sacrifices of righteousness, with burnt offering and whole burnt offering: then shall they offer bullocks upon thine altar.

Hosea6:6For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.
7But they like men have transgressed the covenant: there have they dealt treacherously against me.

Isaiah 29:1Woe to Ariel, to Ariel, the city where David dwelt! add ye year to year; let them kill sacrifices.

Isaiah 65:17behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
18But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
19And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
20There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
21And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
22They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
23They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.
24And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear. 25The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.

 

[metis]

All of the law falls under the ten in one way or another.
All obedience to God falls under the first commandment.

I have studied the subject of the law. I do not need to revisit these points.

If you truly believed that "all obedience to God falls under the first commandment", then you must also believe that all 613 Commandments must be followed because they are commanded by God according to the Torah itself. Picking & choosing from the Law is forbidden according to God. If anyone taught you any different, they simply are just fabricating their own version of "scripture".

However, assuming you're a Gentile, you are not bound by the Law anyway, and that includes the Decalogue, so the point in regards to you is moot.

Take care.

 

[roger1440]

A sin is a willful (as opposed to accidental, ignorant, or delusional) thought or action that is out of context with prior evolutionary needs. They harm either the self or others or both, with "harm" being defined as "impairing a living being's rights as implied by Maslow's hierarchy."

All definitions are mine. I concluded them after much thought.

In a round about way you just said ignorance is bliss. So it's ok for a a complete idiot to murder someone?

 

[Etritonakin]

If you truly believed that "all obedience to God falls under the first commandment", then you must also believe that all 613 Commandments must be followed because they are commanded by God according to the Torah itself. Picking & choosing from the Law is forbidden according to God. If anyone taught you any different, they simply are just fabricating their own version of "scripture".

However, assuming you're a Gentile, you are not bound by the Law anyway, and that includes the Decalogue, so the point in regards to you is moot.

Take care.

You are missing my point. Whether a person was knowledgeable of the ten commandments or not, they have always been commandments.
They are based on the truth inherent in the creation. They do not change.
Things such as the dietary laws -whatever you want to call them -have changed over time, according to what was necessary for God's plan at the time.
In Eden, no animal flesh was eaten. Afterward, all was allowed. Later, only some was allowed -and in the future, not even animals will consume each other.
Similarly, I do not believe animal sacrifice is now necessary or required.
I'm certainly not in agreement with decapitation, strangulation, etc., -though I understand that God required harsh measures at the time to keep sin from Israel by removing the sinner -while a people was being prepared to receive the new covenant and the indwelling of the spirit of God -along with a change in judgments under the law based on the ability to remove sin from the sinner by that spirit of power, love and a sound mind -which was not widely available to ancient Israel.
It is not a matter of my picking and choosing -but living by EVERY word that proceeds from the mouth of God which apply at any given time.
You might not believe that Christ was the same being who was I AM -the back parts of whom Moses saw (none have seen the Father) -and was also Melchizedek -but I do.
You might not acknowledge the new covenant or believe the new testament to be a part of scripture -but I do.
I am not bound by anything God does not require at this time. My conscience is clear.
God will judge us as he sees fit. You needn't be concerned.