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What is Sin?
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Shadow Wolf
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"Sin" is nothing more than an ancient concept created by men who gained control by telling people to be ashamed of themselves, that they are a disgrace, and that only they have the way to make things better.
That which corrupts the soul and destabilizes it from its original nature of Peace and happiness.
you don't believe the prisons and jails are full of people who might have committed egregious errors??
Has to do with the concept of moral evil. Sin does not apply to an Atheist, only to those who believe they are in a covenant relation with God, one who inflicts unjustified moral evil on another commits sin. An Atheist may transgress a law, or ones conscience, but not 'sin'.
False equivalency.
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A person thinking they sinned may feel guilt but not all sins are "egregious" enough to require jail or prison.
"thinking they may"? are you suggesting the person committed a sin against themselves and feel guilty for it? how can a person commit a crime/sin against themselves without their consent?
i used the term in relevance to folks in prison. crimes of that nature are usually egregious. the person i responded to, used the word solely in relation to "ancient concept to control people". i would hope people were controlled even today; which committed an act of violence, or moral disparity.
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That is similar to the fight between the carnal and the spiritual which Paul spoke a lot about.
Thats the point of law and order but your trying to compare secular law to crimes against God. A sin is going against religious law. What your suggesting is just cage all humans for being born animals.
quoting paul doesn't make you christian. using the word sin doesn't make me religious, or atheist.
nope, i'm suggesting that men who commit violent and personal crimes are sinners, or criminals. the word used doesn't matter. the negative behavior is unacceptable whether religious, or secular.
stealing isn't usually acceptable for the religious, or the secular. that is, unless you're a criminal/sinner.
most criminals in the usa are christians, yet the secular government doesn't give a whit how they identify themselves. They are concerned with the behavior. The negative behavior is devoid of empathy.
allfoak
Alchemist
An act of disobedience not done in ignorance.
Watch your step!
Or you might end up in the rabbit hole.
Jonathan Ainsley Bain
Logical Positivist
There are two basic types of error.
The first type is accidental, we all make errors, we are all born into this 'original sin'.
But we learn from such through 'trial and error' and thus we advance, but often such error
is not actually harmful, but even creative. Someone once said that the best song-writers
are clumsy musicians.
The second type is quite different. It is essentially the refusal to accept that one has erred.
Essentially egotism is its nature. Where instead of learning from error, the error is repeated.
This is how murderers become mass-murderers. This type of sin is pathological.
Note this part:
The person who 'doeth truth cometh to the light'. But in order to move into the light, he must have been in darkness.
So there is a humility in accepting one's errors that is necessary in becoming enlightened.
Whereas the 'evil' person refuses to acknowledge his errors.
This is how the 'personality complex' comes about. Through egotism, one error becomes more and more errors.
For example, the character of Loki in the Nordic tradition.
An act of disobedience not done in ignorance.
Watch your step!
Or you might end up in the rabbit hole.
unfortunately ignorance of the law is not an excuse.
i agree that there are two types of sin/crime/transgression. there is willful or wanton and basically ignorance
Love is the whole of the Law, or Law of One. All the commandments rest upon this ONE idea
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Depends on the belief system being discussed.
In Judaism, it is failing to perform one of the mitzvot. But, since the mitzvot only apply to Jews, it has little context outside of Judaism.
Secular thought on morality is generally based on negative consequences to self or others where as religious thought on sin is generally based on whether it's offensive to god. Not everyone agrees on what is sinful but sin is a religious thing, generally Christian since even religions like Buddhism don't have "sin".
allfoak
Alchemist
The punishment is much less or not at all, since it is not willful.