What is the best Religion?

[paarsurrey]

Given that all religions are based on fantasy but pretend reality, none of them are worthy of being called "The Best".

Welcome to the Forum.
The truthful Religion is a reality not a fantasy. It is not based on imaginative fiction. It is base on the Word of Revelation from G-d, so it is based on absolute truth and absolute reality.
Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Wslam, and thanks for welcoming me to the forum. Yes, of course we will go together hands in hands for the victory of Islam.

I am fascinated with your name. Hadayatullah Hubsch was one of our great leaders in the West:

May Allah make you one like him.
Regards

 

[Hadayatullah Hubsch]

From common sense.

Peace!? You are talking about peace?
I-SLAM, Mu-SLIM, SELAM... - all these words have peace as their root.
Yet, Muslims are fighting each other from the very first century of their existence.
Peace!
A religion of peace!

Have you ever opened newspapers?

When we talk about religion, we are not considering what people do. We need to see what a certain religion teaches.
And also if you know a little bit history of world, you can come to know how religion has been used for political gains. Was Hitler a muslim?
When America decided to push Soviet union out of Afghanistan, was America Muslim?

 

[Amleth]

Who told you that religions are based on fantasy?

Anyone who is detached from dogma and thinks seriously about religion will understand this is the case. One does not need to be told that the sun brings the day.

 

[Rapture Era]

When we talk about religion, we are not considering what people do. We need to see what a certain religion teaches.

Exactly! Dont Muslims do what they are taught? How do you differ from the Muslims on page 13 holding up those signs? What does your religion teach when a family member wants to convert to say, Christianity for example? What does your religion teach on that subject?

 

[Amleth]

Welcome to the Forum.
The truthful Religion is a reality not a fantasy. It is not based on imaginative fiction. It is base on the Word of Revelation from G-d, so it is based on absolute truth and absolute reality.

Thank you for your welcome.

What are the gods but the dreams of humanity, conjured up for comfort or fear? Absolute truth , absolute reality... these are merely words we invent for concepts we imagine to explain the fantasies we conceive.

 

[Desert Snake]

Fun to hear that from a Christian... isn't Jesus kinda a zombie?

Aren't you an ex-Christian? How do you not know anything about Christian theology?

 

[Deathbydefault]

Aren't you an ex-Christian? How do you not know anything about Christian theology?

Technically I would be, I suppose.
I was Christian up until I was almost 8 years old.

Answer your question?

 

[Desert Snake]

Technically I would be, I suppose.
I was Christian up until I was almost 8 years old.

Answer your question?

Not really. I wasn't a Christian when i joined RF, nor ever was, previous.

 

[Deathbydefault]

Not really. I wasn't a Christian when i joined RF, nor ever was, previous.

If Dorothy was Christian, I would attend her church, but even so, I also don't attend church.

I guess I could be a bit more clear.
They tried really really hard to sell me the girl scout cookies as a child, but the sample tasted so bad that I slammed the door in their faces.

Are you a Christian? Or do you define yourself differently but follow the same scene?
Sorry if that's a bit intrusive.

 

[Desert Snake]

I guess I could be a bit more clear.
They tried really really hard to sell me the girl scout cookies as a child, but the sample tasted so bad that I slammed the door in their faces.

Are you a Christian? Or do you define yourself differently but follow the same scene?
Sorry if that's a bit intrusive.

It isn't intrusive..no, I am not in a Christian scene.

//I don't call myself a Christian,

 

[Neglected Lighthouse]

My take? No its not my take, its what God Himself says! Lets break this down. God appeared as human (cause he can't become a real human and then turn back to God)
“And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us” (John 1:14).
How could someone who is spirit, having lived for all eternity in the past, become human? Was Jesus a human being just like us? And when He was a human being, was He still God?
Jesus was prophesied to be “God with us” (Matthew 1:23). Jesus was a human being and He was also God. There was never a time when He ceased to be who He always was. His identity did not change. When He was in the womb of Mary, He was God. When He was a baby boy lying in the manger, He was God. When He was a youngster growing up in Nazareth, He was God. And when He was dying, He was God.
As a spirit being, prior to His human birth, He was infinite in knowledge, power and presence. As God He would know everything and have unlimited power to act on any object, anywhere. But if He was human, He could not do everything. He would be limited to the normal abilities any normal human being would have. He could not have been both infinite and finite simultaneously.
and let himself appear to be crucified so he can forgive you for the sins you have not even committed?
Romans 5:8 "But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. He didnt "appear" to be crucified, He was! The written record is clear and undisputed fact.
Or as you say pay the penalty,but pay the penalty to who? To himself?
First, what is the penalty for sin? Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." Not physical death because we are all going to die physically. He's talking about spiritual death, separation from God, or an eternity in hell. Thats why Christ came and died, to pay our penalty so that if we believe in who He is and what He did on the cross we will be saved, saved from an eternity in hell. When you say, "pay the penalty to who?" Its like being convicted of a crime and your penalty is $50,000. You go into court and the judge says, your penalty has been paid, you are free to go!
Christ paid the penalty of death (you having to go to hell for your sins) as a perfect sacrifice. No man ever waled the earth who was perfect and sinless except Jesus Christ. Now, all you have to do is, Romans 10:9 "If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved." Again, not my take or my opinion, its what God says. If He says it, we better listen do ya think?

So essentially what you have said can be simplified as:

1- Penalty for sin is hell.
2- Dying on the cross as human would be payment for our sins. (God decided this)
3- Every human being sins, some more than others, but God paid for all of the sins ever committed or to be committed.
4- The only catch is, this payment is accepted by God only if you say he is Lord and believe in heart he himself raised himself up after he died as human on the cross.

Please confirm the truth of these statements before I derive final conclusion.

 

[Neglected Lighthouse]

From common sense.

Peace!? You are talking about peace?
I-SLAM, Mu-SLIM, SELAM... - all these words have peace as their root.
Yet, Muslims are fighting each other from the very first century of their existence.
Peace!
A religion of peace!

Have you ever opened newspapers?

Firstly the three letter root of the word Islam is سلم which other than "peace" means "submission", I don't know why people insist on using the first meaning! Islam more fittingly means "submission" or "submitting your will to God."

Peace with what or who? Peace with Satan? So as you see the first meaning for the root of the word Islam is inconsistent and ambiguous. The second meaning is much more accurate. Just as "Muslim" means one who submits his will to God. Now a good pios man may have to make peace one day but another day may have to make war, all dependibg on the situation. It is however in Quran the initiating hostilities is wrong and that one should avoid war in certain months of the year such as Ramadan if possible.

Violence and war has been part of humanity throughout history. World wars 1 & 2 had so many victims, that Era could export to other eras! About 38 million died in WW1 and depending on the source between 50 to 80 million people died in WW2. The most savage mass-murder weapons ever created including nuclear were in this Era. The worst war in Islamic world was between iran-iraq 1 million died! Not to mention it was US' fault! Add all the rest of the terrorism, can you get even close to the crazy figures from world wars?!

Furthermore who fought world wars? Muslims had no part in it. It was eaither Christians or modern ideologies, communism, nazism, liberalism.

Even now, every sane man knows ISIS is supported by US and its allies in NATO and puppet Arab countries. Who really fights Isis scourge on the ground?

Comparing World Wars to anything else is like, Black Death to flu!

 

[Rapture Era]

So essentially what you have said can be simplified as:

1- Penalty for sin is hell.
2- Dying on the cross as human would be payment for our sins. (God decided this)
3- Every human being sins, some more than others, but God paid for all of the sins ever committed or to be committed.
4- The only catch is, this payment is accepted by God only if you say he is Lord and believe in heart he himself raised himself up after he died as human on the cross.

Please confirm the truth of these statements before I derive final conclusion.

Isnt that what the scriptures say?

 

[Neglected Lighthouse]

Isnt that what the scriptures say?

Actually the second point should be "God dying on the cross..." Instead of just "Dying on the cross", so I correct it.

Blind-faith is necessary, I have wrote an article proving that in the beginning of one's spiritual journey, blind-faith is absolutely a good thing and even necessary, but it doesn't have to remain blind forever! At the end of the day you have to see if your faith matches your reasoning. ...So you mean whatever is said in the scripture is the truth no matter what, this attitude leaves no room for logical discourse, however we could reach some point using a historical method!

Islam has some things in common with Judaism, and has other things in common with Christianity. Shiite sect in particular has more in common with Christianity than other Islamic divisions which I will explain later. Some of the verses in Quran are understood only when put next to arguments/doctrines mentioned in old and new testaments, clearly as answers to the divisions between Jews and Christians.

What if a guy by the name saint Paul was an imposter Jew!? He killed many Christians and then suddenly he had visions and started loving Jesus and based on the four points I mentioned earlier in my previous post he was forgiven and accepted as a christian, not only that he became a saint and actually altered scriptures. In order to stop Jews becoming Christian he did at least three major changes:

1- Introduced the idea of Trinity so the Jews would say: "oh, this Jesus was not really a monotheist so he was not the promised prophet we were waiting for!"
2- Normalized eating the flesh of swine! Against the God's covenant for Jews.
3- He made circumcision NOT compulsory. Also against the God's covenant for Jews.
4- Crucifixion of Jesus (ع); Jews only crucified enemies of God.

So Jews would see that Christianity is not monotheistic believing in son of God and trinity, and "dirty" Christians eat pork and don't circumcise, thus breaking their covenant with God! Furthermore God allowed Jesus (ع) to go on cross, so he must be a false prophet!

Note: Even now Jews are waiting for the next prophet!

On the other hand in Quran, prophet-hood of Jesus (ع), his miraculous birth, chastity of her mother Mary (س), and his miracles are all acknowledged and respected! The only thing God says in Quran is that he took him up and did not let him be killed on the cross! Furthermore he will return alongside Mahdi (عج) in the end times.

Jews on the other hand, ridicule Jesus (ع) and accuse his mother of wrong doing! In Talmud there is so much profanity, falsehood and pornography that is astounding! Jews make false accusations and say bad things and make fun of many other key important characters in history, notably Prophets Abraham (ع) and Solomon (ع), they also say messed up things about angels of God in particular Gabriel (س) The angel of revaluation who also brought Quran to prophet Mohammad (ص). They even make fun of God; here is one example: Genesis 32:24-29.

Read Quran and you see nothing but moral language and respect for the prophets. In Quran God says he chose b'nei yisrael ("children of Israel") above all other people! But they broke their covenant!

Would you say God was sleeping before Christianity? In Quran God says, he had sent hundreds of thousands of messengers throughout history since Adam (ع). If there is only one God then you should see the traces of the same truth or message in all of the true religions before and after. In both old and new testaments there is promise of the next messengers after Moses (ع), with name and description, one pointing to Jesus (ع) and another to Someone by the name Ahmad(same as Mohammad); although these versus have been translated in such ways to mean a totally different thing or simply have been removed, you know better than me how many versions of bible are out there. You may disagree with this but you can't deny the fact that nowhere in the Bible it says this is the final and last message from God, yet in Quran it is crystal clearly and strongly mentioned that no messengers will come after Mohammad (ص) and that this is the final message.

Muslims too have broken their covenant, on the issue of leadership and succession! Which Islam are we talking about?
We have Saudi Arabia's Islam, Turkish Islam, Egyptian Islam, American Islam, Iranian Islam etc... These are very different Islams almost to the point one would conclude a different religion! Thank God for saving Quran, today all who claim to be Muslims believe in the exact same Quran, letter to letter, word to word in exact original language! If Quran was not saved we could never speak on any foundation and we would be lost.

Note: The oldest bible available in museums are in Greek translation!

In Shiite Islam, we had 12 imams, direct bloodline of Prophet Mohammad (ص) , 2 martyred by sword, 9 martyred by poison. The last is Mahdi (عج) who awaits for the time.

.... I will continue later, just know that the mother of Mahdi (عج) is a christian from Rome!

 

[Muffled]

But Jesus was not a universal saviour so it does not make sense.

I believe you need to explain why you would hold such a limited view of God.

 

[Muffled]

But christianity is not a universal religion so it does not qualify.

I believe if those verses actually described the best religion then universality would not apply. If only one person believed in the best religion it would still be the best religion.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Why do you need a mother to bear you?

Why didn't Adam?

Given that all religions are based on fantasy but pretend reality, none of them are worthy of being called "The Best".

It IS a bit like going to a fan convention and fighting over Star Trek vs Star Wars vs LOTR vs Harry Potter vs ...

I don't see what's wrong with different people having different religions, if those religions advocate tolerance. In my family we have Hindus, Christians and atheists, and there is unity and peace. Many countries with multiple religions get along fine. It's only a problem if you try and push one religion on others.

Yes, "the eye cannot say to the hand, 'I do not need you'." Christianity loves to ignore that Jesus was saying we can work together even though we are vastly different.

Man does not have the authority to change the will of God on any subject. There are a lot of false teachings that are being passed off as the truth. We have been given severe warnings in the Bible concerning any changes we try to make to God’s word. As we have already seen in Galatians 1:6-9, if we pervert the gospel by changing it, we will be accursed.

I believe Paul is guilty of this. Plus, having no authority to do so is not the same thing from being INCAPABLE of doing so. God doesn't sit down at the desk and block people from messing with the bible. The bible has been edited from the very beginning, mostly so that the various editors can get their biases more press than they deserve. You can see this when studying how God is portrayed throughout the bible. His will/whim changes depending on the author.

Another such warning comes in the closing verses of the Bible. Revelation 22:18-19 says, "For I testify unto everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book, if anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, and from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." Additions, subtractions, and substitutions to what God has commanded is disobedient and sinful. We have a standard today, and we are warned not to add to or take away from it. These are very stern warnings that should get our undivided attention.

It's essentially a copyright violation threat, much like the FBI ones before movies. That you have to threaten against manipulation MEANS IT IS HAPPENING. Plus, that book almost didn't make it into the canon and is the only blatant threat there. If you weren't allowed to add to the bible, it'd have stopped at Genesis, right? The entire NT is devoted ... DEVOTED ... to editing the OT for its own biases. You will never find Satan tempting Eve by lying to her in the Genesis account. It is made up by NT authors. You will never find Jesus creating the earth. It is made up by NT authors. That threat is a complete joke as it itself spins the bible's contents out of context so freely.

The two scriptures I quoted say as much. 2 Timothy 3:16,17 affirms that "All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work."

The bible says all humans are drawn to evil and you don't see the issue with that? It NEVER occurs to you that this author is simply tooting his own horn without justification? Ted Cruz acts like he is the new messiah ... do you believe him just because he says so?

ISLAM doesnt appear to be very peaceful to me.

To be fair, though, Christianity preaches peace and can be just as bloody. Jesus wasn't even dead yet before the apostles were showing themselves to be moronic pricks bent on ensuring their own 15 minutes of fame (especially Peter). The bible shows Jesus getting frustrated that his own disciples don't listen to him. Throughout the NT after Jesus' death, note the body count of anyone who ticks off Ol' Pete. Sure, it was "the wrath of God" *coughcough*, not Pete himself killing those people. Pete wanted to be the Don Corleone of sorts and resented anyone taking away his perceived awesomeness, even though nowhere does it show him ever being worthy of such a title. He fails to walk on water, he fails to exorcise demons, he doesn't stay in prison (carry your cross and follow Jesus? *pffbt* as IF ...), and HE DENIES JESUS THREE TIMES IN JUST A FEW HOURS. While I believe in Jesus' "Way", I couldn't hide my disappointment regarding his lack of keeping his disciples in line anymore. His Way didn't make much of an impression on his peeps at all.

 

[Rapture Era]

Well alrighty then, the minute each of us takes our last breath here on earth, we will take our first breath in one of two places and it will be forever! Never to ever ever end! Its daunting think about, but it will be your choice and if it doesnt turn out the way you thought, you will have no one to blame, you made the choice! God has made a way of escape, a way for anyone who chooses not to end up in hell. He Himself says in John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. Remember, Jesus said "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one gets into heaven except through me." Thats pretty straight forward! Has anyone else made that statement? No they havent! In Matthew 7:13 it says; "Go in through the narrow gate, because the gate is wide and the road is spacious that leads to destruction (hell), and many people are entering by it". If you do not choose to accept Gods free gift of eternal life, well, its on you for choosing otherwise. He made a way and is giving everyone the choice, its up to you to decide, "would I like to spend all of eternity in heaven or hell?" Hmmmm, tough decision.

 

[miodrag]

When we talk about religion, we are not considering what people do. We need to see what a certain religion teaches.
And also if you know a little bit history of world, you can come to know how religion has been used for political gains. Was Hitler a muslim?
When America decided to push Soviet union out of Afghanistan, was America Muslim?

Thanks. You just admitted that Islam is no better than any other religion.