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What is the biggest thing makes me convert to Hinduism?

atmarama

Struggling Spiritualist

The word Hinduism is incorrect the proper label is *sanatan Dharma*. In fact dharma simply means laws of existence and sanatan means eternal.

Yes... I found that the most conclusive knowledge is to be found within the vedic texts, and therefore had to accept this information as transcendental to the limited perceptions of the senses on the mind - simply put... :D
 

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend atmaram,

Am yet to read the vedas.
It is understood that the writers of vedas never read them before writing.
Meaning it was the early meditators who received pointers from existence itself and with that understanding and realizing them the vedas or any scripture got written.
When we become part of existence itself we too get pointers from all sources in existence including the vedas and other scriptures.

Love & rgds
 

atmarama

Struggling Spiritualist
Friend atmaram,

Am yet to read the vedas.
It is understood that the writers of vedas never read them before writing.
Meaning it was the early meditators who received pointers from existence itself and with that understanding and realizing them the vedas or any scripture got written.
When we become part of existence itself we too get pointers from all sources in existence including the vedas and other scriptures.

Love & rgds

Haribol double Z,

It is true that veda is not originally text. Veda is understood to be eternal - only due to the onset of kali-yuga has the necessity for writing come... But this seems away from the subject of the thread, the specific question relates to why we have accepted the path we have. My answer remains unchanged ;)

Hare Krishna
 

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend atmaram,

It is true that veda is not originally text. Veda is understood to be eternal - only due to the onset of kali-yuga has the necessity for writing come... But this seems away from the subject of the thread, the specific question relates to why we have accepted the path we have. My answer remains unchanged

Nothing changes as far as Sanatan Dharma is concerned.
All responses are related to following of the same where friend Eihab has been explained that the word Hinduism is incorrect and any way one follows is eternal and to do with harmonizing with the laws of existence.
Without understanding by going into its genesis acting on anything will remain incomplete.

Love & rgds
 

bhaktajan

Active Member
Since I am a Hare Krishna Devotee: A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami's translation [unabridged edition] of the Bhagavad-gita entitled, "Bhagavad-gita as-it-is"

In his edition, each of the gita's 700 verses is presented replete with:
a) actual sanskrit script/text,
b) each sanskrit word in each verse is transcribed phonetically,
c) each sanskrit word is translated "Sanskrit-to-English" [Word-for-word],
d) An authentic English rendering of the Verse by a bonefide Swami in the linage of gurus dating back to Krishna himself ---hence the appellation: "as-it-is" *
e) Commentary ---from a real indian Babaji Guru from Vrindavan India that arrived on the world scene at the Height of the American Vietnam War & the apex of the "Flower-Power" and the "Sex-Drugs-and-Rock & Roll" generation.

The gita discusses 5 topics:
Ishvara - the nature of Godhead
Prakriti - the nature of material metaphysics
Jiva - the nature of the indiviual soul
Kala - the influence of "Time"
Karma - the influence of "Work"

IRONICALLY, I must advise you to concider reading the Gita [in english] in its original source material, namely, as one chapter in the Great Epic of Ancient India, the MAHA-BHARATA, where the Gita is a scene that occurs well into the story of the Mahabharata ('the great Bharata').

The court intrigue among the royal Dynasty of Old "Bharata" (aka, India) represents a trans-generational epic spanning approximately four or five generations of the Royal Court at the end of the last epoch ['Yuga'] in India (3,000 BC).

The gita's dialogue occurs on the first day of a civil war that had long finally occuered after decades of brewing animosity between the Royal cousins ---some taking one side, and, the others siding with Arjuna ---moments before the first volley was shot, Arjuna lamented that both armies were comprised of relatives, and so he desisted from starting the battle, just as he rolled his chariot between the readied parties.

Thus, Arjuna's Cousin Krishna, who had earlier volunteered to be Arjuna's chariot driver, turned to Arjuna and commenced to review for him all the considerations of Duty as per the traditions and injuctions of the Vedic Knowledge ---as the armies stood by waiting the first calvalery charge;

2] hence to read the Gita is to actually engage in Yoga!

3] According to the Vedas: all phenomena emanates from Maha-Vishnu.
'Nirvana' ('without qualities') is the first step of the Yoga-Ladder toward self-realisation.

a "brahman" realisation:
I] realisation of 'brahman/nirvana' as omnipresent & behind the rising & falling material elements/energy; and,
II] as the stuff of which a soul is composed of.

b "param-atma" realisation = God's localised life-forse presence in each soul.

c "bhagavan" realisation = God's Absolute Personage, transcendent to the material world.

4] According to the Vedas the soul is part and parcel of the "Supreme-Soul".
The Grand surprise is the the "Supreme-Soul" is a Person ['Bhagavan' ('the possessor and source of all opulences')]. According to the Vedas the soul is a person. According to the Vedas the soul is active by nature ---so the buddhist sense of Nirvana as the "Goal of merging the soul into a state of non-being" is a myth borne of a lack of knowledge that the "nature of the soul(s)", of all living entities, is "Persona".

The life-force in all animate bodies is the precence of a "Soul", and that soul is striving birth-after-birth seeking the supreme soul ---this is the mystery of life.


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Mind you, all schools and classifications of In-the-Know-knowledge is explicity passed down person-to-person [like the kids party game, "telephone"] ---most times it is required by a seeker of knowledge to travels great lengths, pay large fees & pass strict exams ---all inorder to be admitted to a circle of those in-the-know.

Similarly, I am attempting here to simply relay the contents of scriptures & sutras to pass on the Dharma selflessly.

your ardent wellwisher, worts and typo-graphical errors all,
Bhaktajan
 

bhaktajan

Active Member
Originally Posted by zenzero
Friend atmaram,

Am yet to read the vedas.
It is understood that the writers of vedas never read them before writing.
Meaning it was the early meditators who received pointers from existence itself and with that understanding and realizing them the vedas or any scripture got written.
When we become part of existence itself we too get pointers from all sources in existence including the vedas and other scriptures.

All Knowledge is passed down from teacher to student.
Can we remember and count all the "teachers [major & minor]" that we have had, to date, in this life?

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/vedanta-dir/107664-once-there-only-one-veda-history.html

The Vedas were first put into writting approx 3,000 BCE by the literary Incarnation of Godhead, Vyasadeva.

You should see the social reaction within the royal courts of yore when Vyasadeva would walk into the room! . . . everyone stood self-consciously frozen . . . suddenly self-aware that the chronicler of the Vedas & the past epoch of anicient time-immemorial was present ---like some modern day society gossip newspaper columnist like Tony Curtis & Burt Lancaster in the 1957 movie "Sweet smell of success" ---yet the stakes in Vyasadeva time reflected the changing of the old epoch, Dwarapa-yuga to the next epoch known as Kali-yuga, which we are 5,000 years into at the present time.
 
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kaisersose

Active Member
The Vedas were not written down for a long time after they were composed. No evidence has been uncovered to show they had a script before 100 BC.

They devised clever schemes to organize and remember a lot of content with no loss in fidelity over time. European scholars were amazed to see Kashmiri Brahmins and South Indian Brahmins (though they all originally were the same, they have been separated for over a thousand years) chant the Rig Veda, the exact same way.
 

bhaktajan

Active Member
Evidence is scarse for remnents of all artfacts over just a few decades [can you find photos of your own neighborhood from when you were a kid?] . . . aristocracy was the only curators of such things.
For example, Buddist monestaries in Tibet have lost so much after perserving it for so long ---such is 'MAYA'. Such is the ironic inundating influence of pasing time.

Can you cannot find a Babe Ruth Base-ball Card any where in most of 99.999% the world.

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The “Democratic principles” were not written down for a long time after they were composed. No evidence has been uncovered to show they had a “Democratic principles” before 100 BC.

They devised clever schemes to organize and remember a lot of content with no loss in fidelity over time. European scholars [
and explorers 1,600 years later] were amazed to see “Democratic principles” here and “Democratic principles” there (though they all originally were the same, they have been separated for over a thousand years) chant the inalienable virtues of “Democratic principles”, the exact same way.

Or

The “Lost buried gold coins” were not written down for a long time after they were composed. No evidence has been uncovered to show they had a “Lost buried gold coins” before 100 BC.

They devised clever schemes to organize and remember a lot of content with no loss in fidelity over time. European scholars [
and explorers 1,600 years later] were amazed to see “Lost buried gold coins” here and “Lost buried gold coins” there (though they all originally were the same, they have been separated for over a thousand years) chant the inalienable virtues of “Lost buried gold coins’, the exact same way.
 

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend bhaktajan,

The Vedas were first put into writting approx 3,000 BCE by the literary Incarnation of Godhead, Vyasadeva.

Who was his guru???
God is a label for an understanding of that universal energy or total existence itself and each form including human forms are part of that total.
Parts cannot be separated and always remains its part except that the individual form may or may not be in total harmony or rather the individual energy and the universal energy harmonizes totally then such an individual reflects the *WHOLE* or the universal energy gets reflected through this individual energy totally like one observes the reflection of the moon on a STILL lake.

Love & rgds
 

Wannabe Yogi

Well-Known Member
The Vedas were not written down for a long time after they were composed. No evidence has been uncovered to show they had a script before 100 BC.

They devised clever schemes to organize and remember a lot of content with no loss in fidelity over time. European scholars were amazed to see Kashmiri Brahmins and South Indian Brahmins (though they all originally were the same, they have been separated for over a thousand years) chant the Rig Veda, the exact same way.

It is also amazing that folks could memorize such large texts.
 

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend WY,

Yes, even scientists have come to the understand that a normal human uses 10 to 20% of the brain as rest lies in the sub-conscious.
Meditation is waking up or awakening consciousness meaning all the sub-conscious part too comes to consciousness and then that 100% is available to the individual.
Those who could memorise use more than normal %age of the brain. Have heard that Vivekananda could memorise a book just by reading it once.

Love & rgds
 

bhaktajan

Active Member
Dear subjective Personal Consciousness,

A] (I) Am yet to read the vedas.

B] It is understood that the writers of vedas never read them before writing.

C] Meaning it was the early meditators who received pointers from existence itself and with that understanding and realizing them the vedas or any scripture got written.

D] When we become part of existence itself we too get pointers from all sources in existence including the vedas and other scriptures.

Love & rgds


A] I provide a intro to "The Vedas" yet it is dismissed.

Vyasadev compiled the Vedas for posterity –so we accept the sampradaya that descends from Vyasadev and therefore also we accept Vyasadev’s verdict and version as it is written.

The bhagavata-purana contains more than 570 shlokas that delineate all the devatas ["Gods" or, as known in contradistinction, "Demigods"], Manus, Maharajas, vamsas and all the other great personalities of the Bhagavatam and their relationship(s).

These relationships are further expounded in all the Various puranas & Vedas.

The material and spiritual lives, pastimes, wives and children and adventures take have occured [Since Brahma was born] are seperately explored and revealed to us in the various puranas etc --so we are obliged to gather the data and arrange it in order [as per the personalities in them] and decorate them on a family tree.

The Gods of the Vedas are the descendants of the first born person, Brahma. Brahma is the first progenitor and engineer and assembler of the cosmos –Lord Brahma is the overseeing superintendent of the cosmos in the form of a person, literally.

Brahma populated the universe via his grandchildrens’ grandchildrens ad infinitum to this day.

The personalities that populate the Vedic scriptures come from an antiquity pre-dating western lore and hieroglyphics.


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The timeless wisdom of India is expressed in the ancient Sanskrit Vedas. Originally preserved through oral tradition, the Vedas were first put into writing five thousand years ago by Srila Vyasadeva, “the literary incarnation of God.” After compiling the Vedas, Vyasadeva set forth their essence in the aphorisms known as Vedanta-sutras.

But five thousand years ago Vyasadeva put the Vedas in writing for the people in this age, Kali-yuga. He divided the Vedas into four: Rig, Sama, Atharva and Yajur. Then he gave the charge of these Vedas to his different disciples. Then Vyasadeva summarized all Vedic knowledge for scholars and philosophers in what is called the Vedanta-sutra. This is the last word of the Vedas. Vyasadeva was not very satisfied even after compiling many Puranas and Upanisads, and even after writing the Vedanta-sutra. Then his spiritual master, Narada, instructed him, “Explain the Vedanta-sutra.” Vedanta means “ultimate knowledge,” and the ultimate knowledge is Krsna. Krsna says that throughout all the Vedas one has to understand Him: vedanta-krd veda-vid eva caham. Krsna says, “I am the compiler of the Vedanta-sutra, and I am the knower of the Vedas.” Therefore the ultimate objective is Krsna. The Vedanta-sutra simply hints at what is Brahman, the Absolute Truth: “The Absolute Truth is that from whom everything emanates.” This is a summary, but it is explained in detail in Srimad-Bhagavatam. If everything is emanating from the Absolute Truth, then what is the nature of the Absolute Truth? That is explained in Srimad-Bhagavatam. The Absolute Truth must be consciousness. He is self-effulgent (svarat). We develop our consciousness and knowledge by receiving knowledge from others, but for Him it is said that He is self-effulgent. The whole summary of Vedic knowledge is the Vedanta-sutra, and the Vedanta-sutra is explained by the writer himself in Srimad-Bhagavatam. We finally request those who are actually after Vedic knowledge to try to understand the explanation of all Vedic knowledge from Srimad-Bhagavatam and the Bhagavad-gita.

 

bhaktajan

Active Member
Dear subjective Personal Consciousness,

A] (I) Am yet to read the vedas.

B] It is understood that the writers of vedas never read them before writing.

C] Meaning it was the early meditators who received pointers from existence itself and with that understanding and realizing them the vedas or any scripture got written.

D] When we become part of existence itself we too get pointers from all sources in existence including the vedas and other scriptures.

Love & rgds


B] Knowledge comes from the Teacher. The student repeats the words of the teacher. This is the protocol and proof-provenance of absolute knowledge.

C] We are already part and parcel of the whole. Miserly Greed of the Elders cause mis-rule and un-rest among those ruled.

D] Meglomaniacs see no obsticles to claiming all they survey as their own oyster with pearls to harvest for their vanity.

Intelligence does not spring from within.
Intelligence is divested from above; it descends from mentors that had learnt from their mentors ---this is how "pointers" are known.

We must adhere to "pointers" divested from above.
 

bhaktajan

Active Member
Friend bhaktajan,

Who was his (Vyasa) guru???
God is a label for an understanding of that universal energy or total existence itself and each form including human forms are part of that total.
Parts cannot be separated and always remains its part except that the individual form may or may not be in total harmony or rather the individual energy and the universal energy harmonizes totally then such an individual reflects the *WHOLE* or the universal energy gets reflected through this individual energy totally like one observes the reflection of the moon on a STILL lake.

Love & rgds

Vyasa's gur was his father Parasara-muni.
Parasara's grandfather was Vasistha-muni (son of Brahma).

"God is . . . "

The definition given above is predicated on "Negation" that springs from "neti-neti" logic.

The process of saying "neti-neti" ("not this, not that") to all things encountered is not finished until millions of lifetimes so as to prove it verasity.

GOD is defined and revealed at his will; and a common soul in the cosmos cannot predict how nor why they may be benedicted with such face-time with God-Incarnate ---a benediction from God is causeless-mercy for any soul so fortunate to be privy to such works.

The definition given above "Immpersonal".
The definition given above "Passive".
The definition given above "Denies the Birthright of God the person".
The definition given above "atheism" par excellance.

The definition given above the "Absolutely truth" inregards to God's Hidden nature.

We are "Persons"; All lowly beasts aspire to be obtain birth as "Persons"; God is a "Person";

We "Persons" are adrift in samsara.
We "Persons" want to exchange re-ciprocal pastimes with the best of "Persons" ---God's entourage is the original reflection from which this temporal mirage of our Cosmic Ocean is predicated on ---this is a simply and Persona-based proposition that is revealed as fact by Guru, Sadhu & Sastra.
 

bhaktajan

Active Member
It is also amazing that folks could memorize such large texts.

It's similar to:
Like a London Taxi Driver.
Like a doctor or Lawyer or engineer or architect ---that take exams that last 3 to 5 days long.

A "sutra" is a short work meant to be given by the monk to the passing surjourner, for easy memorisation.
 

ConfusedKuri

Active Member
You will only be attracted to Hinduism if the core tenets feel right or make sense to you. This is a very different 'religion' to Abrahamic traditions. Generally speaking, Hinduism isn't dualistic, although there are dualistic sects. The point of life is to Realise God and Self, not to have blind belief. So this religion is a journey of discovery, which is very different to say Islam, which is all about submission and following rules.

I've been following Islam for several years, I used to be extremely religious but now I'm losing my faith and I'm more and more drawin towards Hinduism. :S I really don't know what to do, I realise the more I try to re-establish my Islamic faith the more I'm failing, the whole idea of following rules restricts me so much, worship and worldview are so limited I feel I just don't identify with it anymore.

Hinduism has so many options, there is no restriction in worshipping.
 

Wannabe Yogi

Well-Known Member
I've been following Islam for several years, I used to be extremely religious but now I'm losing my faith and I'm more and more drawin towards Hinduism. :S I really don't know what to do, I realise the more I try to re-establish my Islamic faith the more I'm failing, the whole idea of following rules restricts me so much, worship and worldview are so limited I feel I just don't identify with it anymore.

Hinduism has so many options, there is no restriction in worshipping.

Have you looked into Sufism. I really love the writings of Hossein Nasr.

Hossein Nasr - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

His book The Need for a Sacred Science is great.

The Need For a Sacred Science - Google Books
 

ConfusedKuri

Active Member
Yes I know Sufism I think it's beautiful too :), I really like reading Rumi's poetry, but apart from that Islam will always be restricted to certain rules which I'm unable to observe, plus I'm always drawn back to Hinduism, I don't know why that is though, but whenever I had serious doubts concerning Islam my heart pulled me to Hinduistic beliefs.
 

Kuvalya_Dharmasindhu

Nondualistic Bhakta
Namaste All,

The best thing anyone in doubt can do, IMHO, is figure out what you feel to be true in your heart. Sit down and write that out. Then look for what religious philosophies best match up. Make out a list of those faiths. Practice each of them. Give yourself enough time to feel it out and see if it helps you feel like you're achieving fulfillment (in whatever way you feel fulfillment should be for you). Then after you've practiced all of them, examine which one fits your emotional/mental disposition. Remember, the Divine (in any case) transcends these conceptual ideas of structured religious institutions we've created as human beings. One need not classify oneself a Hindu to obtain the realizations of the Rishis or Hindu sages. We are all the children of Divinity, the method doesn't matter as much as the goal. So don't lose sight of the goal (reaching that Fulfillment/Divinity).

Om Bhur Buvah Svaha Tat Savitur Varenyam Bhargo Devasya Dhimahi Dhiyo Yona Prachodayat!

~Kuva~
 
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