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What is the definition of a "Woman"?

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
The question was playing to the right wing base and was a "gotcha" question. It was done solely for political purposes. My answer would not have been at all polite but would have said just that with short 4-letter words about their motivation, intelligence and dedication to doing the "people's business"
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
There s a blurred line between man and woman. I know a couple of "very" female men, a woman who was a man, and an androgynous person who does not like to be identified as either.

That's just to my personal knowledge so yes know in a general sense but it us impossible to be precise.

Then there's the genetically intersex such as those who are XXY.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
Revoltingest the dictionary can! That's who!
Should she be a judge if she is not impartial? if she is an advocate for a certain group or people!
Should not a supreme Court Judge use the constitution as a rule, not a party line!

The dictionary can't because it's not a simple question. To try to reduce a complex problem to the level of genetics ignores not only the intersex but the influences in the womb, people's emotional reality and so forth.

But if you want to reduce people to the level of animals, even there we see that it's not a simple question.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
By the way, now that I mentioned animals: This is a medical reference and is full of medical jargon but it illustrates the point.
https://www.merckvetmanual.com/repr...ductive-system/intersex-conditions-of-animals
Intersex Conditions of Animals

Intersex conditions have been described in several domestic animal species. True hermaphrodites are rare and have both ovarian and testicular tissue and exhibit anomalies of the external genitalia. The karyotype is variable and may be a chimera, mosaic, or unknown. Pseudohermaphroditism, often referred to as sex reversal syndrome, is more common. Animals have one or the other type of gonad and external genitalia of the opposite sex. Animals may be XY SRY negative or XX SRY negative. In horses, the most common type is 64XY SRY negative. Some cases of sex reversal are believed to be due to a recessive autosomal gene mutation.
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Chromosomal abnormalities (XXY) have been described in males with azoospermia due to hypoplasia of the testes, epididymis, and vas deferens. Tortoise-shell or calico male cats possess two X chromosomes (XX/XXY, XY/XXY, or other chimeric or mosaic combination) and are sterile.
 

Rival

Diex Aie
Staff member
Premium Member
I think the trans community would take some issue with your: woman = female = XX claims.

BTW, I'm not advocating for or against your answer.
I have trans friends who are best friends to me and I respect their identities and call them what they are in their experience. It's just the case that 99% of folks aren't that way, and biology dictates medicine, diet, sports and so on. The biological reality cannot be changed even with surgeries, so that's my go to.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
According to 4 of the last 5 rule violation notices I got.

Well, I'm sure checking people's drawers would definitely violate some rules and probably various laws, but it's not like anyone can actually do it online.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
She is being interviewed right now.. This caught my attention...
I think for a "Judge on the Supreme Court" that does NOT know the difference between the two; Male Female we have a problem!
And what if, as seems most likely, the question turns out not to be as purely biological one, but a legal one, based on a variety of sciences? That is to say, what if, as science now asserts, that gender is not binary, but more?

Then will you have a problem? I mean, I'm sure you'll be able to figure out where you are on the non-binary question, so why does this give you such concern?
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
I have trans friends who are best friends to me and I respect their identities and call them what they are in their experience. It's just the case that 99% of folks aren't that way, and biology dictates medicine, diet, sports and so on. The biological reality cannot be changed even with surgeries, so that's my go to.
This is the legal issue that has yet to be clarified and resolved. I'm a male and heterosexual so have very little perspective of those who do not see themselves in this basic binary set of options. I have to set aside my own experience and perspective and listen to what other citizens want. As an athlete I have some agreement in allowing male trans athletes to compete in women's sports. But even I acknowledge that me as a male athlete with no real threat by female trans athletes that my perspective is limited, so I defer that issue to be resolved among female athletes and their sports federations/organizations. There is room for everyone and it comes down to lowering ideals and being open to compromise.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
I once knew a woman who was a pseudo-hermaphrodite. The following is what she claimed and how she explained it to me. Externally she was completely female in appearance, aside from a slightly larger than normal clitoris. Discovered she was 'Xy' when visiting a doctor about never having periods. Her internal gonads were malformed and had to be removed after they became cancerous. She kept on living/identifying as female.
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
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F1fan I think you need a reality check!! A Judge should be impartial A Judge should be neutral going only by the law!
Nothing about GOP! It is a all about fairness and truth!
It is NOT a Judge if the Judge is towing a party line.. Give your head a shake!!

I think this is EXACTLY why she answered the way she did.
 

Kfox

Well-Known Member
The new supreme court nomination of Biden Ketanji Brown Jackson can not answer this question.
A woman is an adult human being with XX chromosomes, instead of XY, a Testosterone level of somewhere between 15-25 instead of 500-1000, a Uterus instead of a prostate, and countless other biological differences. I learned that in grade school.
 
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Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
You’re right, it’s easy.
Man

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Woman
33610579.cms

After all, it would be …erm….awkward :oops: for the top muscle-bound college guy to walk into a girls’ bathroom, or the young lady in the second picture to change in the men’s locker room.
Muscle-guy always knew he was a man, and the pretty young lady always knew she was a girl/woman. He has the correct functional stuff hanging down below the belt line, and her’s don’t hang down.
Sheez! People should just get a CLUE! :mad:




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:rolleyes:


PS - The ‘Dude’ has XY chromosomes, and the girl you’d like to meet in the second picture is XX.
That is to say they have just what God gave them. Which includes a good surgeon, and a good endocrinologist. Thanks be to God!
;)
Once a trans man wins MVP at professional football or similar contact sport I'll agree.
 

lostwanderingsoul

Well-Known Member
It is really sad that humans have come to the point that they do not know the difference between a man and a woman. And even sadder that RF does not allow members to tell the truth about it.
 
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