What is the difference between angels, aliens, thought-forms and interdimensional beings?

[Salvador]

I have absolutely no doubt that UFOs, Unidentified Flying Objects, exist, but there is no evidence that they carry any kind of life form, so it's a huge, and irrational, leap of the imagination to suppose they harbor intelligent life. It's silly.

And your convincing evidence is ______________________________________________ .

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Neither do I believe there are extraterrestrial biological beings themselves visiting Earth, however, I'm convinced there is likely advanced extraterrestrial drone technology launched from a distant extraterrestrial civilization to survey Earth.

There is also preliminary evidence of "234' advanced alien civilizations advertising their existence by way of laser light pulses.

A pair of Canadian astronomers have recently concluded that the signals they've detected from the spectra of 234 stars they've surveyed and analyzed out of 2.5 million spectra may likely be caused by light pulses generated by Extraterrestrial Intelligence to makes us aware of their existence.

"A Fourier transform analysis of 2.5 million spectra in the Sloan Digital Sky Survey was carried out to detect periodic spectral modulations. Signals having the same period were found in only 234 stars overwhelmingly in the F2 to K1 spectral range. The signals cannot be caused by instrumental or data analysis effects because they are present in only a very small fraction of stars within a narrow spectral range and because signal to noise ratio considerations predict that the signal should mostly be detected in the brightest objects, while this is not the case. We consider several possibilities, such as rotational transitions in molecules, rapid pulsations, Fourier transform of spectral lines and signals generated by Extraterrestrial Intelligence (ETI). They cannot be generated by molecules or rapid pulsations. It is highly unlikely that they come from the Fourier transform of spectral lines because too many strong lines located at nearly periodic frequencies are needed. Finally we consider the possibility, predicted in a previous published paper, that the signals are caused by light pulses generated by Extraterrestrial Intelligence to makes us aware of their existence. We find that the detected signals have exactly the shape of an ETI signal predicted in the previous publication and are therefore in agreement with this hypothesis."

[1610.03031] Discovery of peculiar periodic spectral modulations in a small fraction of solar type stars

arXiv.org > astro-ph > arXiv:1610.03031
strophysics > Solar and Stellar Astrophysics
Discovery of peculiar periodic spectral modulations in a small fraction of solar type stars
E.F. Borra, E. Trottier
(Submitted on 10 Oct 2016)

Eventually, we may be able to communicate with some of these 234 presently known possible advanced alien civilizations who might have been advertising their existence throughout the Milky Way.

 

[QuestioningMind]

I never believe that I know the whole truth about what goes on in our world. I study many things but that brings me to more questions. It is possible that any or all of these types of beings could exist in our world. How can we know? I know that I have met many very strange people. No I don't mean crazy. I mean people who did the oddest of things and people who told me things that they had no way of knowing or who gave me wisdom that you never hear from "normal people". I know that I have dealt with something but i don't know what they are. Maybe all of the above. How can I know?

To me, aliens could appear to be angels because they could be so advanced that what they do would appear to be supernatural to us. We would appear to be supernatural to ancient man. Thought-forms could be created by us and therefore do or say things we are thinking about, have thought about or which are in our character. Angels could do strange things to teach us wisdom or to show us that they are real. They could have abilities which humans don't. Interdimensional beings could be capable of anything the others could do because they could have higher technologies than we do and they could be capable of things which are normal in their dimensions but not in our dimensions.

There could also be other things such as psychics, spiritual people receiving information from God, etc.

How do you distinguish one from the other?

Christians, please don't tell me to test the spirits. Aliens, interdimensionals, etc. could know God. The Bible does say God “has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds” Hebrews 1:2 Notice "worlds" plural.

Luke 20:36 “Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God”. This states that there are other beings besides angels. Yes, I know that they are speaking of saved Christians but this also shows that they have a supernatural difference from other people.

Also, Genesis 6:1, 2 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. Who were these sons of God? They aren't called demons or angels. So, what are they? In the New Testament, sons of God are saved Christians. Obviously, that wouldn't be the case with these beings who married human women but weren't said to be from God. And if they were spirit beings, how did they create children? Yes, I do believe that angels can become solid physical beings when required as in Hebrews 13:2 Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it. There are also other instances of angels interacting with humans in the Bible. If they were aliens or other beings, how could they create children? Inter-species offspring is a false concept. In biology only very closely related beings can create offspring. So, a horse and donkey can create a mule but a dog and a donkey can't create young.

To the alien people, something from a different planet or different dimension could not create offspring. They would not be biologically compatible unless we are somehow related to them.

So, my question for everyone of any belief is what's what? I am not currently a Christian but I do know Christianity better than other religions. That is why I quote the Bible. I am open to any belief. So, I would like to hear from anyone of any belief.

Since people can claim that absolutely any fantastical entity actually exists, I reserve my belief in any claimed entity for those that can actually be justified with verifiable evidence. If there is no verifiable evidence for the claim that an entity actually exists then I reserve belief in said entity until such verifiable evidence can be presented. Otherwise you'd end up believing in every single fantastical claim that human beings have ever proposed.

 

[Samael_Khan]

I never believe that I know the whole truth about what goes on in our world. I study many things but that brings me to more questions. It is possible that any or all of these types of beings could exist in our world. How can we know? I know that I have met many very strange people. No I don't mean crazy. I mean people who did the oddest of things and people who told me things that they had no way of knowing or who gave me wisdom that you never hear from "normal people". I know that I have dealt with something but i don't know what they are. Maybe all of the above. How can I know?

To me, aliens could appear to be angels because they could be so advanced that what they do would appear to be supernatural to us. We would appear to be supernatural to ancient man. Thought-forms could be created by us and therefore do or say things we are thinking about, have thought about or which are in our character. Angels could do strange things to teach us wisdom or to show us that they are real. They could have abilities which humans don't. Interdimensional beings could be capable of anything the others could do because they could have higher technologies than we do and they could be capable of things which are normal in their dimensions but not in our dimensions.

There could also be other things such as psychics, spiritual people receiving information from God, etc.

How do you distinguish one from the other?

Christians, please don't tell me to test the spirits. Aliens, interdimensionals, etc. could know God. The Bible does say God “has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds” Hebrews 1:2 Notice "worlds" plural.

Luke 20:36 “Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God”. This states that there are other beings besides angels. Yes, I know that they are speaking of saved Christians but this also shows that they have a supernatural difference from other people.

Also, Genesis 6:1, 2 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. Who were these sons of God? They aren't called demons or angels. So, what are they? In the New Testament, sons of God are saved Christians. Obviously, that wouldn't be the case with these beings who married human women but weren't said to be from God. And if they were spirit beings, how did they create children? Yes, I do believe that angels can become solid physical beings when required as in Hebrews 13:2 Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it. There are also other instances of angels interacting with humans in the Bible. If they were aliens or other beings, how could they create children? Inter-species offspring is a false concept. In biology only very closely related beings can create offspring. So, a horse and donkey can create a mule but a dog and a donkey can't create young.

To the alien people, something from a different planet or different dimension could not create offspring. They would not be biologically compatible unless we are somehow related to them.

So, my question for everyone of any belief is what's what? I am not currently a Christian but I do know Christianity better than other religions. That is why I quote the Bible. I am open to any belief. So, I would like to hear from anyone of any belief.

Definition of Alien as referring to the context you are using it:

a hypothetical or fictional being from another world.
"she discovers that the alien's spaceship has crashed"
synonyms: extraterrestrial, ET; More

Our world is earth. The Bible says that Angels are in heaven and not earth. Which makes heaven another world. Therefore angels in the Bible by definition are aliens. Extraterrestrials. The Bible actually doesn't explain much about the world, heaven, in which the angels reside, so for all we know it could be an invisible planet from another dimension. So they could be considered interdimensional aliens.

Also, heavens in the Bible (as far as the translations go) can mean sky, space or heaven. So there could be an overlap there.

As for them being thought forms, there actually is a lot of research on ancient religions showing that religions have many similarities about how they describe supernatural beings. For instance the combination of men and animals is a common them. It is seen and described in cave paintings of ancient religions, in Egyptian Gods and in the Bible the Cherubs have heads of animals with human like bodies (Read Ezekiel 1) and in the Book of Daniel one of the beats turns into a creature with a Lions head and a mans body. Apparently tribesman also see this type of imagery through self induced trances and by taking hallucinogenic drugs. So they could just be seeing things. Or the trances and drugs activate a part of their mind which allows them to see into another dimension, as per Graham Hancock's theory (many people see him as a pseudo scientist though). In the Bible, such as in Ezekiel, the prophets see prophecy and cherubs through visions. Maybe God triggers that same part of their brain that the trances and drugs do to make them see into another dimension. Or it could have been the prophets taking drugs....

Also, regarding to aliens being able to mate with humans, theoretically they could if they had the ability to mate with other creatures. Anything could be possible.

Just to further mess with you check out Solipsism:

Solipsism - Wikipedia

How do you know that anything besides yourself is not just a figment of your imagination. If you ever watched the Matrix and Ghost in the Shell, you would see the dilemma.

 

[Samael_Khan]

I totally believe in God but there are many things in this world which are not explained by God's word. How do I understand these. For instance, although God created everything including atoms, atoms are never spoken about in the Bible. Neither are cars or computers or so many technologies. It is only said that we will do much more than what has been done in the past.

The quote "There is nothing new under the Sun" comes from Ecclesiastes. Or at least in the Writers time when technological progress was relatively slow compared to post Industrial Revolution.

 

[74x12]

I never believe that I know the whole truth about what goes on in our world. I study many things but that brings me to more questions. It is possible that any or all of these types of beings could exist in our world. How can we know? I know that I have met many very strange people. No I don't mean crazy. I mean people who did the oddest of things and people who told me things that they had no way of knowing or who gave me wisdom that you never hear from "normal people". I know that I have dealt with something but i don't know what they are. Maybe all of the above. How can I know?

To me, aliens could appear to be angels because they could be so advanced that what they do would appear to be supernatural to us. We would appear to be supernatural to ancient man. Thought-forms could be created by us and therefore do or say things we are thinking about, have thought about or which are in our character. Angels could do strange things to teach us wisdom or to show us that they are real. They could have abilities which humans don't. Interdimensional beings could be capable of anything the others could do because they could have higher technologies than we do and they could be capable of things which are normal in their dimensions but not in our dimensions.

There could also be other things such as psychics, spiritual people receiving information from God, etc.

How do you distinguish one from the other?

Christians, please don't tell me to test the spirits. Aliens, interdimensionals, etc. could know God. The Bible does say God “has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds” Hebrews 1:2 Notice "worlds" plural.

Luke 20:36 “Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God”. This states that there are other beings besides angels. Yes, I know that they are speaking of saved Christians but this also shows that they have a supernatural difference from other people.

Also, Genesis 6:1, 2 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. Who were these sons of God? They aren't called demons or angels. So, what are they? In the New Testament, sons of God are saved Christians. Obviously, that wouldn't be the case with these beings who married human women but weren't said to be from God. And if they were spirit beings, how did they create children? Yes, I do believe that angels can become solid physical beings when required as in Hebrews 13:2 Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it. There are also other instances of angels interacting with humans in the Bible. If they were aliens or other beings, how could they create children? Inter-species offspring is a false concept. In biology only very closely related beings can create offspring. So, a horse and donkey can create a mule but a dog and a donkey can't create young.

To the alien people, something from a different planet or different dimension could not create offspring. They would not be biologically compatible unless we are somehow related to them.

So, my question for everyone of any belief is what's what? I am not currently a Christian but I do know Christianity better than other religions. That is why I quote the Bible. I am open to any belief. So, I would like to hear from anyone of any belief.

That word "worlds" is more like "ages".

Hebrews 11:3 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
3 by faith we understand the ages to have been prepared by a saying of God, in regard to the things seen not having come out of things appearing;

 

[Neutral Name]

It is answer just not one you want. There is no evidence for any of the figures or entities. Ergo you rely upon the fiction written by people to differentiate the two. Good writing means you can clearly separate a ghost from an alien or whatever. Bad writing becomes a problem.

In reality, it is well known by thousands of people that there are UFOs. I doubt anyone knows what they are. They could be extraterrestrial, inter-dimensional or time travelers but they do exist. The governments of the world are starting to open up about them. They have been collecting information about them for decades. That is just UFOs. Then there are other unknown things. Many things which have been proven are not common knowledge. For example, psychic abilities tested in the United States and Russia and remote viewing used by the CIA and the Russians. The governments knew that they were a real capability. You can't say that you know what is and what isn't. Things we don't understand exist. Just because you personally haven't encountered them doesn't mean that they are non-existent.

 

[Neutral Name]

Material evidence for extraterrestrial intelligence provided in post #36 and #37.

Thank you, Shad. I know that there are UFOs. But are they extraterrestrial or time travelers or inter-dimensional or something else?

 

[Neutral Name]

You posted none. You posted videos and papers claiming as such. There is a difference.

UFO does not equate alien.

Next!

Thank you. I'm not sure that everyone has heard that extraterrestrials are not the only UFOs. So, go easy on them.

 

[Neutral Name]

Nope. Show me a body. Proof by assertion.

Assertion regarding reputable and reliability of statements



Ad populum



No I said the evidence was lacking.



Speculation spring boarding from proven science into the unproven



I have a higher standard than fallacious arguments as per your blunders above.



Babble.

Well, let me speculate. The governments of the world are opening up their information now. In the next decade, I predict that it will be common place for people to understand that there is more to life than what we see on a daily basis. Many European countries have already started to make information public and the US government has just recently started doing the same thing. It will be totally public within the next ten years. Check to see if I don't know what I am talking about.

 

[Neutral Name]

And you're not Spiritual.

We good now?

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Well, I don't actually care what you think. Obviously, you are a troll.

 

[Neutral Name]

I assume you mean post # 9.


Argument ad populums

"In argumentation theory, an argumentum ad populum (Latin for "argument to the people") is a fallacious argument that concludes that a proposition must be true because many or most people believe it, often concisely encapsulated as: "If many believe so, it is so."
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don't convince, As stated, they're fallacious.

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But, as I stated in other replies, the governments of the world are opening up about these phenomena. It may take another ten years, but I will proven correct. Keep you eyes open.

 

[Neutral Name]

Neither do I believe there are extraterrestrial biological beings themselves visiting Earth, however, I'm convinced there is likely advanced extraterrestrial drone technology launched from a distant extraterrestrial civilization to survey Earth.

There is also preliminary evidence of "234' advanced alien civilizations advertising their existence by way of laser light pulses.

A pair of Canadian astronomers have recently concluded that the signals they've detected from the spectra of 234 stars they've surveyed and analyzed out of 2.5 million spectra may likely be caused by light pulses generated by Extraterrestrial Intelligence to makes us aware of their existence.

"A Fourier transform analysis of 2.5 million spectra in the Sloan Digital Sky Survey was carried out to detect periodic spectral modulations. Signals having the same period were found in only 234 stars overwhelmingly in the F2 to K1 spectral range. The signals cannot be caused by instrumental or data analysis effects because they are present in only a very small fraction of stars within a narrow spectral range and because signal to noise ratio considerations predict that the signal should mostly be detected in the brightest objects, while this is not the case. We consider several possibilities, such as rotational transitions in molecules, rapid pulsations, Fourier transform of spectral lines and signals generated by Extraterrestrial Intelligence (ETI). They cannot be generated by molecules or rapid pulsations. It is highly unlikely that they come from the Fourier transform of spectral lines because too many strong lines located at nearly periodic frequencies are needed. Finally we consider the possibility, predicted in a previous published paper, that the signals are caused by light pulses generated by Extraterrestrial Intelligence to makes us aware of their existence. We find that the detected signals have exactly the shape of an ETI signal predicted in the previous publication and are therefore in agreement with this hypothesis."

[1610.03031] Discovery of peculiar periodic spectral modulations in a small fraction of solar type stars

arXiv.org > astro-ph > arXiv:1610.03031
strophysics > Solar and Stellar Astrophysics
Discovery of peculiar periodic spectral modulations in a small fraction of solar type stars
E.F. Borra, E. Trottier
(Submitted on 10 Oct 2016)

Eventually, we may be able to communicate with some of these 234 presently known possible advanced alien civilizations who might have been advertising their existence throughout the Milky Way.

Martian Canals, Planet Vulcan, Alchemy, The Expanding Earth, The Blank Slate Theory, Einstein’s Static Universe. Oh, wait! Those were all debunked although once believed. We only know what we know now. The future will bring new discoveries. Maybe wormholes can be used for travel. Maybe we just haven't discovered how yet. So, I never make up my mind that I have all of the answers.

 

[Neutral Name]

The quote "There is nothing new under the Sun" comes from Ecclesiastes. Or at least in the Writers time when technological progress was relatively slow compared to post Industrial Revolution.

Thank you!

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Martian Canals, Planet Vulcan, Alchemy, The Expanding Earth, The Blank Slate Theory, Einstein’s Static Universe. Oh, wait! Those were all debunked although once believed. We only know what we know now. The future will bring new discoveries. Maybe wormholes can be used for travel. Maybe we just haven't discovered how yet. So, I never make up my mind that I have all of the answers.

I do not think that the planet Vulcan was ever considered to be real. It is part of the fictional Star Trek universe created by Gene Roddenberry.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Thank you, Epic Beard Man. I already stated that some could be human like in physical bodies like our own. I disagree with him too.

Got ya

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Well, let me speculate. The governments of the world are opening up their information now. In the next decade, I predict that it will be common place for people to understand that there is more to life than what we see on a daily basis. Many European countries have already started to make information public and the US government has just recently started doing the same thing. It will be totally public within the next ten years. Check to see if I don't know what I am talking about.

As you say. It is speculation. It may be that nothing comes out in support of extraterrestrials or other phenomena that have been mentioned. I find it difficult to believe that our government could keep a secret that so many people are alleged to be involved in.

I would be thrilled to learn that evidence exists that we are not alone as intelligent species, giving confirmation to the dreams and speculation of many, but at this point it remains speculation with a lot of skepticism that it will be anything more than that.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

But how do I distinguish one from the other?

That is a very good question. It would be the same as one asking whether seeing a divine apparition means that one's mind is warped or somehow under the influence. To tell you the honest truth I don't know. But like any truth I'm sure anything that comes from divine providence would reveal itself in such a way that it would remove doubt. Similar to seeing extraterrestrial beings.

I see that angels are divine beings of light as you say, but can other beings be of divine light?

According to various Judeo-Christian scriptures as well as Islamic text, angelic light contains several meanings. When referencing angels as of light, it typically refers to being of divine origin that illuminates such as one's knowledge. When we observe light its nothing more that what is reflected in our vision and the brains perspective of the electromagnetic radiation waves and the fluctuation of electric and magnetic fields that transport energy from one place to another. So when we see a being of light in that regard yes we can perceive any being in that regard as a being of light. However, as I've mentioned before typically in scriptural writings the presence of divine beings who are of light are also accompanied by the divine essence, which would typically accompanied by "the feeling" that one is in the presence of an otherworldly being. If you see the stories of various prophets these beings usually communicate with humans on a cerebral level which I would suppose would be a type of communication distinct from anything known in the universe.

But in the end, I couldn't tell you how your mind could make that distinction between one being of light from another. I guess I think when we encounter these beings like angels and aliens, our encounter and experience would be specific to us so I suppose we would have different feelings on what it would be like to be in their presence.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

*SIGH* As I said,

"in as much as you expect us to be dealing in fact here, what is your supporting evidence that, more than just a definition of terms, the following are facts."

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Exactly what is so difficult to understand here?

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Again its also not hard for you to comprehend that I'm not going to answer your inquiry because if I'm going to try and demonstrate the existence of a metaphysical beings or spiritual concepts as fact, I might as well have a discussion about the existence of God and because God would be under the same type of discussion, I am choosing to not answer your inquiry.

 

[Skwim]

Again its also not hard for you to comprehend that I'm not going to answer your inquiry because if I'm going to try and demonstrate the existence of a metaphysical beings or spiritual concepts as fact, I might as well have a discussion about the existence of God and because God would be under the same type of discussion,

Nah, you just backed yourself into a corner and are using a silly excuse to try to get out of it. You're not answering my questions because you can't, which is as obvious as the predicament you've put yourself in. Hardly a biggie, just an amusing one.

Thanks for the diversion.

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[Epic Beard Man]

Nah, you just backed yourself into a corner and are using a silly excuse to try to get out of it. You're not answering my questions because you can't, which is as obvious as the predicament you've put yourself in. Hardly a biggie, just an amusing one.

Thanks for the diversion.

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No. What it is, is that because I called your post an opinion and yes it is an opinion and not fact, you want to do what a lot of atheists do is play this game called "prove what you believe exist." Look, I didn't form an opinion by saying "I believe angels are" or "I know aliens are." You on the other hand did by inferring a fact and now you want me to infer facts because I defined the aforementioned entities for the OP I'm not going to play that game. So no, I'm not going to say angels are real because of X, Y, and Z. This is not me being backed into a corner, it is me saying I'm choosing to not participate in this side discussion you want me to get involved in.