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What is the difference, if any, between philosophy and religion?

Kuzcotopia

If you can read this, you are as lucky as I am.
I'm surprised at your response: Whether you care about the questions or not isn't the point, it's whether you are providing reasonable answers, or just making stuff up that sounds good.

I'm concerned with practical and useful answers to real world problems, which to me is the definition of "reasonable".

Everyone knows the first quarter of Gulliver's Travels, where he visits Lilliput, a nation of tiny people.

But I think it's instructive to also read about Gulliver's third tale, where he travels to Laputa.

Laputa - Wikipedia

Pretty much sums up most of philosophy for me.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Religion is supposed to have practical value and to deal with moral references.

Philosophy doesn't necessarily impose the same requisites on itself.
 
Well, religion attempts to be useful and relevant by asking and answering questions people care about. Philosophy is attempting to look super intelligent by asking and answering questions that hardly anyone cares about.

I respect religion quite a bit more than philosophy, and I'm an atheist.

Things no one cares about like the validity of knowledge, critical reasoning, ethics, what constitutes science and how scientific information should be interpreted, the best way to organise a society, the existence of gods, the role of religion in society, methods of learning and eduction, etc.?
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
I'm concerned with practical and useful answers to real world problems, which to me is the definition of "reasonable".

Everyone knows the first quarter of Gulliver's Travels, where he visits Lilliput, a nation of tiny people.

But I think it's instructive to also read about Gulliver's third tale, where he travels to Laputa.

Laputa - Wikipedia

Pretty much sums up most of philosophy for me.
I think it's important to remember that Jonathan Swift was primarily a satirist, poking fun at the mores of his own time and place. See "A Modest Proposal" for a particularly fine example. A Modest Proposal - Wikipedia
 

Kuzcotopia

If you can read this, you are as lucky as I am.
Things no one cares about like the validity of knowledge, critical reasoning, ethics, what constitutes science and how scientific information should be interpreted, the best way to organise a society, the existence of gods, the role of religion in society, methods of learning and eduction, etc.?

I care about all of those things.

Theology, Anthropology, Sociology, Educational Psychology, Political Science, Economic Theory and Biology ought to cover it. Philosophy overreaches it's importance relative to its actual impact on any of the above issues/fields you mentioned. . . but Academic Philosophers gotta eat too.


I couldn't even speculate what "armchair" philosophers' motivations are. . . impressing others maybe?
 
Theology, Anthropology, Sociology, Educational Psychology, Political Science, Economic Theory and Biology ought to cover it. Philosophy overreaches it's importance relative to its actual impact on any of the above issues/fields you mentioned. . . but Academic Philosophers gotta eat too.

None of those are even possible without philosophy, its importance is paramount.

I couldn't even speculate what "armchair" philosophers' motivations are. . . impressing others maybe?

What do you think philosophy is? You seem to be presenting a negative stereotype of philosophy as being synonymous with pretentious waffle.

That's a bit like critiquing science by pointing out the flaws in astrology.
 

ajay0

Well-Known Member
What is the difference, if any, between philosophy and religion?

*Please don't ask me how to define philosophy and religion, as it is a question about your thoughts. If I were to predefined them I would be restricting the terms to my standards; I want it to be more open than that. Simply make sure to explain your position in a plain and easy to understand manner.


Even an ounce of awareness is far more valuable than the whole Himalayas of philosophy. - Osho


In this insightful saying of Osho's, you can understand all the difference that lies between philosophy and religion.

Philosophy has more to do with intellectual understanding, while spirituality deals with the plane of experiential understanding.

Religion prepares the foundation for this experiential understanding.

Religion is like the bakery where flour is processed into bread along with the yeast, fire,salt and oil.
The bread can be seen as spirituality.

This is the original purpose of religion, that of creating spirituality in people, and not the creation of dualistic divisions that it is known for now.
 

Jeremiahcp

Well-Known Jerk
I think the main difference between the two is that philosophy is grounded in human wisdom, while religion is framed in a supposed transcendent wisdom.


Philosophy comes from humans, while religion supposedly comes from some higher source.
 

David T

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Philosophers can't not do they ever sing as a group. Religious lots more singing.

Philosophers never ever get up and give personal testimonies at conferences and ask for prayers.

Philosophers never have classes for 3 year olds teaching socrates. There is no philosophers curriculum for toddlers.

Philosophers never pray at philsophers conferences.

Philosophers pretend to be objectively independent generally speaking from religion sort of like atheism generAlly pretendsnto be independent of religion.

Religion pretends to be not be philosophy at least a theological level or the right pbilosopby without callimg that

Philosophers don't have pipe organs, hand bell choir and potlucks made by grandma's!

There is a few differences!!! And yet...
 

David T

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Yes by the margin 50.0000000000000000000000000000000000000 into an irrational unknown by science and math at this time. I am sure it's where relativity and quantum mechanics converge. I have spent my whole life working it out mathmaticically and am writing a book that should be out soon on Amazon that will answer it very clearly. Also instructional videos, t-shirts and retreat seminars for large groups is available.
 

Kuzcotopia

If you can read this, you are as lucky as I am.
None of those are even possible without philosophy, its importance is paramount.



What do you think philosophy is? You seem to be presenting a negative stereotype of philosophy as being synonymous with pretentious waffle.

That's a bit like critiquing science by pointing out the flaws in astrology.

Philosophy had a role in establishing some of the foundations of religion, but that role is over. Nothing more for it to do but stand aside.

I don't get the analogy.
 
Philosophy had a role in establishing some of the foundations of religion, but that role is over. Nothing more for it to do but stand aside.

Luckily it still has a role in the sciences, how language relates to consciousness, ethics, the validity of knowledge, etc. etc.

I don't get the analogy.

It seems like you consider philosophy to be best represented by pretentious chatter, rather than a discipline that deals with some of the most important and relevant aspects of our existence.

Can you explain what you think philosophy is, and why it is pretty useless?
 

Shia Islam

Quran and Ahlul-Bayt a.s.
Premium Member
What is the difference, if any, between philosophy and religion?

*Please don't ask me how to define philosophy and religion, as it is a question about your thoughts. If I were to predefined them I would be restricting the terms to my standards; I want it to be more open than that. Simply make sure to explain your position in a plain and easy to understand manner.

I see the difference as follows:
Philosophy is man's efforts to understand the reality.

Religion: man's belief/convection that the source of the observed reality has provided the answers.
 

Kuzcotopia

If you can read this, you are as lucky as I am.
It seems like you consider philosophy to be best represented by pretentious chatter, rather than a discipline that deals with some of the most important and relevant aspects of our existence.

Philosophy tells you those are important questions of existence. Reminds me of a quote by the comedian Elmo Phillips:

"I used to think that the brain was the most wonderful organ in the body. Then I realized who was telling me this."

Just because you believe that a discipline's questions are important, doesn't mean that those questions are necessarily important outside of that discipline, or that they hold any actual relevance to anyone who isn't a philosopher.

Can you explain what you think philosophy is, and why it is pretty useless?

Wikipedia:

Philosophy (from Greek φιλοσοφία, philosophia, literally "love of wisdom"[1][2][3][4]) is the study of general and fundamental problems concerning matters such as existence, knowledge, values, reason, mind, and language.[5][6]

How does it feed the 1 in 5 children who go to bed hungry in the US alone? How does it educate those same children, who have little to no encouraging home life?

How does this solve problems of human trafficking? How does it ensure a equitable stake in the distributions of goods and services? How does it allow all citizens to achieve the same equal rights? How about working conditions (both safety and wages) at home and around the world?

These should be the actual concerns of thinkers around the world. So you tell me, as someone who likes philosophy, does philosphy even tell you that these are problems at all? What moral system would you use to confirm that these issues require a solution? According to philosophy, what is your responsibility as a citizen to do something of value to stop or prevent these problems? Are you, in fact, taking those steps right now?
 
]Philosophy (from Greek φιλοσοφία, philosophia, literally "love of wisdom"[1][2][3][4]) is the study of general and fundamental problems concerning matters such as existence, knowledge, values, reason, mind, and language.[5][6]...Just because you believe that a discipline's questions are important, doesn't mean that those questions are necessarily important outside of that discipline, or that they hold any actual relevance to anyone who isn't a philosopher.

Do you find it important to be able to distinguish correct information from incorrect information?
Do you find it important to be able to turn information into knowledge?
Do you think it is important to be able to think critically?
Do you think values, ethics and morality play an important role in society?
Do you believe that the sciences can and should be used in a way that benefits society?
Do you believe it is important to understand the way language connects us to reality?

If you answer yes to any of these, then you agree that philosophy has *actual relevance* to people who aren't philosophers.


How does it feed the 1 in 5 children who go to bed hungry in the US alone? How does it educate those same children, who have little to no encouraging home life?

How does this solve problems of human trafficking? How does it ensure a equitable stake in the distributions of goods and services? How does it allow all citizens to achieve the same equal rights? How about working conditions (both safety and wages) at home and around the world?

These should be the actual concerns of thinkers around the world. So you tell me, as someone who likes philosophy, does philosphy even tell you that these are problems at all? What moral system would you use to confirm that these issues require a solution? According to philosophy, what is your responsibility as a citizen to do something of value to stop or prevent these problems? Are you, in fact, taking those steps right now?

Ethics is part of philosophy, most of those are questions of ethics. Why is human trafficking wrong for example? This relates to fundamental philosophical questions regarding the rights of people. The practical solution may require all kinds of different inputs, but identifying it as a problem is a philosophical question.

You mentioned "How does it ensure a equitable stake in the distributions of goods and services?" philosophers such as Adam Smith, Freidrich Hayek, John Maynard Keynes and Karl Marx have proposed different solutions to this.

There is no 'according to philosophy' as it is an enormous and diverse field of enquiry though.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
What is the difference, if any, between philosophy and religion?

*Please don't ask me how to define philosophy and religion, as it is a question about your thoughts. If I were to predefined them I would be restricting the terms to my standards; I want it to be more open than that. Simply make sure to explain your position in a plain and easy to understand manner.
A religion can have a philosophy, but a philosophy can't have a religion.

Other differences: religions have organizational structures and get tax breaks.
 
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