What is the Left (politically)?

[Estro Felino]

I guess I am the only true leftist (except very few people, one or two) on RF. No offense


It's saddening and disheartening to realize that there are too many people who declare themselves "leftists", but actually roll red carpets at bankers and speculators.

There are even bankers who have the cheekiness to call themselves "leftists".
It's like as if the KFC CEO declared himself as the leader of the "chicken's for life movement"
It is grotesque...not to say ridiculous.

So I am asking the members of the Soŕosian Left: what do you mean by Left when you call yourself "a leftist"?

Merci beaucoup pour vos réponses.❤

 

[Estro Felino]

As far as I've understood, the American Left aka Sorosian Left in Europe is only about sex.
The fair of banalities.

They only care about the sex life of gays, lesbians.... And women's right not to take the pill and have an abortion...as if an abortion was something as pleasant as having unprotected sex.

 

[wellwisher]

I guess I am the only true leftist (except very few people, one or two) on RF. No offense


It's saddening and disheartening to realize that there are too many people who declare themselves "leftists", but actually roll red carpets at bankers and speculators.

There are even bankers who have the cheekiness to call themselves "leftists".
It's like as if the KFC CEO declared himself as the leader of the "chicken's for life movement"
It is grotesque...not to say ridiculous.

So I am asking the members of the Soŕosian Left: what do you mean by Left when you call yourself "a leftist"?

Merci beaucoup pour vos réponses.❤

The difference between Left and Right is Left is more Progressive, while the Right is more Conservative. Conservative has a connection to the word, conservation. It tries to conserve the greatest hits of the past. These are test proven ideas and ideals that have plenty of good data.

Progressive is about progress, which tries to do something new or rehash an old hit, to a new generation, who then thinks this is new; Socialism. Socialism is not new, but was an old one or two hit wonder, that is being brought back. It never became a Conservative classic hit' too much paranoia and anger from the leadership.

The Progressive left is what helps us to advance to the future, but this has the downside of trying to go from the early R&D stage, right into production, which can lead to problems; gender bending. The Conservatives by using what has been test proven over time, try to keep the ship steady; classic male and female, but often this makes those who want change, for the sake of change, restless.

In terms of political parties, neither is 100% Conservative or Progressive. For example, the Democrat party which is labeled Left, is conservative when it comes to the environment. The Republicans are more likely to explore and develop the environment for natural resources even trying new techniques like fracking. The Left prefer to conserve the land as old world forests. In California, they will not always clear the forest floors of dried brush; potential compost, thereby leading to huge forest fires, sort of like nature does it. Huge forest fires may not be nature's greatest hit, when humans also live in these forests.

As far as science, I would be considered a Progressive since I do not blindly accept classic theory like evolution; as is. I will attempt to develop rational models such as a water and entropy model for life. The Progressive tend to cling to Evolution as is and work hard to conserve the 19th century empirical science heyday. Then again. I was a development guy so progress was my job and strong suit.

 

[Estro Felino]

The difference between Left and Right is Left is more Progressive, while the Right is more Conservative. Conservative has a connection to the word, conservation. It tries to conserve the greatest hits of the past. These are test proven ideas and ideals that have plenty of good data.

Progressive is about progress, which tries to do something new or rehash an old hit, to a new generation, who then thinks this is new; Socialism. Socialism is not new, but was an old one or two hit wonder, that is being brought back. It never became a Conservative classic hit' too much paranoia and anger from the leadership.

The Progressive left is what helps us to advance to the future, but this has the downside of trying to go from the early R&D stage, right into production, which can lead to problems; gender bending. The Conservatives by using what has been test proven over time, try to keep the ship steady; classic male and female, but often this makes those who want change, for the sake of change, restless.

In terms of political parties, neither is 100% Conservative or Progressive. For example, the Democrat party which is labeled Left, is conservative when it comes to the environment. The Republicans are more likely to explore and develop the environment for natural resources even trying new techniques like fracking. The Left prefer to conserve the land as old world forests. In California, they will not always clear the forest floors of dried brush; potential compost, thereby leading to huge forest fires, sort of like nature does it. Huge forest fires may not be nature's greatest hit, when humans also live in these forests.

As far as science, I would be considered a Progressive since I do not blindly accept classic theory like evolution; as is. I will attempt to develop rational models such as a water and entropy model for life. The Progressive tend to cling to Evolution as is and work hard to conserve the 19th century empirical science heyday. Then again. I was a development guy so progress was my job and strong suit.

So it's not about economy..it's about sex.
Conservatives don't speak of sex...right?

In Europe "left" means being on the side of the employees against the employers' excessive power.
Or it means to counter the injustices created by the financial and the banking sectors and their reckless investments.

 

[anotherneil]

You say that you're a leftist, a "true leftist", but you give no explanation of what that means. What is your idea of what a leftist is?

While we're at it, please explain why you choose to be a leftist.

 

[Estro Felino]

You say that you're a leftist, a "true leftist", but you give no explanation of what that means. What is your idea of what a leftist is?

While we're at it, please explain why you choose to be a leftist.

Being a leftist means to side with the employees and never with employers.
It means to value respect and solidarity between social classes.
It means to believe in a strict State that protects the weakest classes and punishes the abuses of the capitalists.

I chose to be a leftist because injustices really bother me. They make me freak out like crazy

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I guess I am the only true leftist (except very few people, one or two) on RF. No offense

You say that, but your political heroes are all far right...
Orban etc.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Being a leftist means to side with the employees and never with employers.

No matter what?
So even when the employees are in the wrong?

I chose to be a leftist because injustices really bother me.

And yet you seem to drool over far righters like Orban, Putin, LePen, etc.




Quite strange.

 

[F1fan]

I guess I am the only true leftist (except very few people, one or two) on RF. No offense


It's saddening and disheartening to realize that there are too many people who declare themselves "leftists", but actually roll red carpets at bankers and speculators.

This is vague. Yes I have a mortgage and bank accounts. Is that bad? Should I do my financial interactions with a local loanshark?

Banks are a business, and in most places they are regulated to varying degrees. The right want fewer regulations and the left wants more. Fewrer regulations means more capital available to invest, but also more risk, as we sw with the 2008 housing collapse. Regulations do ensure more trust and stability, at least for consumer banks.

There are even bankers who have the cheekiness to call themselves "leftists".

Gotta canter to whomever, and whatever you mean by leftist. Conservatives call basic democrats as leftists, so the word is quite useless without clarification.

It's like as if the KFC CEO declared himself as the leader of the "chicken's for life movement"
It is grotesque...not to say ridiculous.

OK, a claim and no facts and no argument, so just another post that we should ignoore?

So I am asking the members of the Soŕosian Left: what do you mean by Left when you call yourself "a leftist"?

Merci beaucoup pour vos réponses.❤

You didn't define leftist except that you are one. You and me disagree on most things, so by your example, and in contrast, I'm certainly not a leftist.

I'm a liberal who believes in a strong set of social and commercial rules as enforced by levels of government. I also believe tjat any person or business can seek exemptions if they have a case and argument.

 

[F1fan]

The difference between Left and Right is Left is more Progressive, while the Right is more Conservative.

That's right, the left wants progress, and the right is opposed to it for the most part. MAGA is certainly regressive on many freedoms and rights, and it's an odd set of priorities by a party that used to call itself the party of life, the party of familiy values, and the party of freedom. None of that is applicable anymore. There's no fiscal conservatism any more. The tax cuts are for the wealthy and a few crumbs for the middle class. The deficit can't be paid with such policies, so more debt is inevitable under republicans (MAGA). The eventual "solution" will be cutting social services, and that will have the only trickle down effect in causing stress in the economy, and certainly see a rise in crime. The increasing number of elderly will require more services in coming years, and the right has no plan for financial security or to avoid more federal debt. Mt guess is that MAGA will suggest the middle class elderly exhaust their family assets, and/or be victims of banks that exploit the needs of the elderly and use their assets as leverage for care. This will help the wealthy accumulate more wealth, and further put stress on the economic stability of families.

 

[Estro Felino]

I'm a liberal who believes in a strong set of social and commercial rules as enforced by levels of government. I also believe tjat any person or business can seek exemptions if they have a case and argument.

Economic liberalism is right-wing.

In the history of Europe the number one enemies of socialists were the liberals.
Like Cavour.

That's totally fine

All that matters is that you guys don't call yourselves leftists.

 

[F1fan]

Economic liberalism is right-wing.

Oh, now it makes sense (no it doesn't).

In the history of Europe the number one enemies of socialists were the liberals.
Like Cavour.

That's totally fine

All that matters is that you guys don't call yourselves leftists.

More irrelevant sentences. It's typical that offer no evidence and no substantive arguments. Continue on with more controversial claims that lack any basis in reality.

 

[Estro Felino]

Oh, now it makes sense (no it doesn't).

More irrelevant sentences. It's typical that offer no evidence and no substantive arguments. Continue on with more controversial claims that lack any basis in reality.

So you consider yourself a leftist?

 

[F1fan]

So you consider yourself a leftist?

Read post 9.

And how about answering my questions? Are you just ere to spread disinformation and false claims?

 

[Estro Felino]

Read post 9.

And how about answering my questions? Are you just ere to spread disinformation and false claims?

Post number 6.
I define leftism.

 

[Father Heathen]

The difference between Left and Right is Left is more Progressive, while the Right is more Conservative. Conservative has a connection to the word, conservation. It tries to conserve the greatest hits of the past. These are test proven ideas and ideals that have plenty of good data.

Progressive is about progress, which tries to do something new or rehash an old hit, to a new generation, who then thinks this is new; Socialism. Socialism is not new, but was an old one or two hit wonder, that is being brought back. It never became a Conservative classic hit' too much paranoia and anger from the leadership.

The Progressive left is what helps us to advance to the future, but this has the downside of trying to go from the early R&D stage, right into production, which can lead to problems; gender bending. The Conservatives by using what has been test proven over time, try to keep the ship steady; classic male and female, but often this makes those who want change, for the sake of change, restless.

In terms of political parties, neither is 100% Conservative or Progressive. For example, the Democrat party which is labeled Left, is conservative when it comes to the environment. The Republicans are more likely to explore and develop the environment for natural resources even trying new techniques like fracking. The Left prefer to conserve the land as old world forests. In California, they will not always clear the forest floors of dried brush; potential compost, thereby leading to huge forest fires, sort of like nature does it. Huge forest fires may not be nature's greatest hit, when humans also live in these forests.

As far as science, I would be considered a Progressive since I do not blindly accept classic theory like evolution; as is. I will attempt to develop rational models such as a water and entropy model for life. The Progressive tend to cling to Evolution as is and work hard to conserve the 19th century empirical science heyday. Then again. I was a development guy so progress was my job and strong suit.

The political compass has two axes.

 

[F1fan]

Post number 6.
I define leftism.

That's way too narrow and incomplete. It's also idealistic and doesn't account for nuance. For example employees and employers both have interests that are crucial to the company staying viable. No one can only side with the workers. So right there almost no one is a leftist. Now if you want to be more specific and clarify your definition perhaps you will get answers. I am against the exploitation of workers, and I will side with workers who face low pay, and unfair demands. Who knows what your ideas are.

 

[Estro Felino]

That's way too narrow and incomplete. It's also idealistic and doesn't account for nuance. For example employees and employers both have interests that are crucial to the company staying viable. No one can only side with the workers. So right there almost no one is a leftist. Now if you want to be more specific and clarify your definition perhaps you will get answers. I am against the exploitation of workers, and I will side with workers who face low pay, and unfair demands. Who knows what your ideas are.

If I were Prime Minister, Ì would make unjustified dismissal illegal.
Dismissal has to be based on a just cause...like violating the labor contract.

It is not a just cause to fire an employee because the employer wants to maximize the profits.

 

[rocala]

Well this is me. You are not the only leftist here.

 

[Estro Felino]

The political compass has two axes.

One question.
A Prime Minister who expropriates lands from rich aristocrats and gives the lands to the poor, is he leftist or rightist?