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What is the most common mistake that atheists make?

Smart_Guy

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Premium Member
Live near a river or lake in many areas and, given enough rain and the instability of a dam...you could well be flooded overnight.

I thought in such places there are already counter measurements for that! If not, then it is a mistake. When I went to Bali, I saw special exists with "Tsunami Exit" sign on them. That's what I saw only, dunno about what I didn't.
 

Smart_Guy

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Premium Member
You will find out nature has a way of dealing with these people. Bad people end up in bad places.

A thief for example will probably worry his whole life about someone stealing his possession, if he survives his job.

A murderer will often die by the sword he swings ect ect ect.

Just an idea brother, we all know I don't let the possibility of a positive or negative afterlife effect my daily life.

Kind of the story behind Job, keeping a positive attitude living a good life no matter what is thrown your way.

Yes, I do see such things supporting your idea. But are we certain that every single offender will get what they deserve and every single victim will get their rights back? We already see so many innocents get ripped of their rights and never get it back. In my experience I mentioned before, maybe that one will get what they deserve, but I may not know that and will live the rest of my life feeling bad for being insulted like that. I already have so much painful memories that I keep remembering and having my whole day ruined because of it, but what makes me get over it is my belief that in the afterlife I will be compensated for it for certain.
 

Draka

Wonder Woman
I think there is some miscommunication here. I'm not necessarily arguing that "celestial beings" (gods, goddesses, angels, etc.) do exist. What I am arguing is this: If any polytheistic deity does exist, it would exist on the same ontological level as other celestial beings (assuming, of course, that other celestial beings like angels do exist). IOW, celestial beings are creatures (finite beings), just as much as you and I are - even though they might have a higher ontological status than us.
May I suggest an analogy for what you appear to be trying to say? Try equating God to the owner/CEO of a large business. This business has many branches, many separate things they do and handle in different places. Each of those branches has it's own manager. The managers work for your angels/minor gods level. They each have their own area of specialty. Then you have the employees (the human level). Most employees only ever deal with and go as far up as the manager, never really even knowing who the owner/CEO is let alone ever meet them, however, without that owner the business they work for may never have even existed at all.

By that analogy I think people will understand these "levels" you are talking about, however, I do wonder if you take into account the perfect rationality of some then holding the middle level of some importance. Since the "lower level" deities/beings have a more direct affect upon people than one who sits so far up as to be unattached to the workings below.
 
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Draka

Wonder Woman

Skwim

Veteran Member
@Salinger, are you the same person as @Gambit? You have very similar photos for your avatar and very similar style in discussion. Just wondering.
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You're not the only one.

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outhouse

Atheistically
But are we certain that every single offender will get what they deserve and every single victim will get their rights back?

Even our modern justice does not do this accurately.

It would be my personal advise not to worry about who gets what, now or later. Religious text probably says the same thing ;)
 

outhouse

Atheistically
If any polytheistic deity does exist, it would exist on the same ontological level as other celestial beings

How do you know beyond faith, they are not on a different levels?

You keep making statements of certainty, that are factually faith based.

Where do you even come up with this?
 

Smart_Guy

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Premium Member
Even our modern justice does not do this accurately.

It would be my personal advise not to worry about who gets what, now or later. Religious text probably says the same thing ;)

That's why I need my faith; to get the promises it has to offer to have those done accurately one day. Otherwise, believe me, I would explode or become a criminal myself just to get my own rights with my own hands. You know how humans can completely change due to circumstances and I'm no different.

And yes, you are right. It is the right thing, I believe, to not worry about it. Religious text does say so, which helps me to not worry about it actually. You got it spot on, I'm impressed :)
 

Draka

Wonder Woman
How do you know beyond faith, they are not on a different levels?

You keep making statements of certainty, that are factually faith based.

Where do you even come up with this?
I understand what it is he is trying to say, how he is looking at it. Perhaps look at the analogy I suggested for him in post 143? It's not that odd of a concept really. If you look at those whom believe that the minor gods/goddesses are actually manifestations of particular aspects of One Divine entity then you can see where he's getting his ideas. I have no idea where he was going with the whole "one less god" argument, but I do understand his claim of certain "levels". Thing is, as much as he has been saying that atheists don't understand certain things, and while his ideas about levels does make sense in some respects as there are those who do believe such, he seems to be showing just as much lack of understanding in the fact that not all people have that particular view of gods. This is the whole reason why there are different religions and faiths. Not everyone looks at theistic ideas the same way. To propose they do is to propose we are all alike and think alike and understand alike. Humans don't work like that.
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
Where does this even come from?

Your own theology?
It comes from the notion that "My god is more real than your god(s)." No evidence or corroborating logic of course, just a biased conviction driven by the need to preserve one's faith no matter what the cost. While it's understandable, it ain't very pretty.
 

Deathbydefault

Apistevist Asexual Atheist
Practice to practice, rather. Different people in different locations in different epochs with the same practice approach the same reality of God.

I say person to person because even if a billion people follow the same God in name they have their personal image of it as well.
Practice is irrelevant to that.
 
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