What is the point?

[Thana]

There are no convincing answers. None.

Go on, convince me.

I have no need to convince you, And judging by your confrontational attitude I wouldn't try even if I wanted too.

There are answers, You just don't care to hear them. And that's fine, Some people choose ignorance and I accept that as their prerogative.

 

[Ultimatum]

How do you know that? Have you seen every single answer to the questions that have ever been presented in all of Christianity's history?

I'm sorry for being vague but I was actually posting in reference to the thread. The answers given so far are flawed.

Knowledge of an experience and active experience aren't the same thing.

Nope. In the case of being omniscient, they are the same thing. You do not need active experience when you know what it is like anyway.
And this is the point of this post.

 

[Ultimatum]

I have no need to convince you, And judging by your confrontational attitude I wouldn't try even if I wanted too.

There are answers, You just don't care to hear them. And that's fine, Some people choose ignorance and I accept that as their prerogative.

Please, I want to hear a reasonable answer. I am interested in hearing your answer.

 

[Thana]

Please, I want to hear a reasonable answer. I am interested in hearing your answer.

As you wish.

First, Not all denominations believe in Original Sin so you can scratch that off your list. Second, There were no errors. Everything was meant to be, Especially in the Garden, So that this day would come about, and the next day and so on. There was no mistake, no accident, no problem. What is, was meant to be.

Also a lot of Christians don't believe in a literal interpretation of Genesis, And some even accept the TOE, Myself included.

As to your first question, What is the point? The point is life. That is the point of Creation. Life, choice, love and everything in between.

If you don't find these answers to your liking, I suggest undertaking some research of your own if you genuinely want to know.

 

[Riverwolf]

I'm sorry for being vague but I was actually posting in reference to the thread. The answers given so far are flawed.

Fair enough.

Nope. In the case of being omniscient, they are the same thing. You do not need active experience when you know what it is like anyway.
And this is the point of this post.

You may not "need" it. But you may "want" it.

I know what the experience of watching a favorite movie is like. Therefore, I'll go watch it again.

Omniscience pertains primarily to knowledge and awareness, not necessarily direct experience. Hence the "science" defined by "omni".

 

[chinu]

What is the point of God's Earth? Literally, there is no point at all. Perhaps, and in my opinion this is the most likely thing that is going on, is that God is on one big ego-trip. Honestly!

This scenario can be carried over to a modern scenario: (I underline all the discrepancies with this creator as we go)
SIDE NOTE: CODE NOT ACCURATELY WRITTEN TO ANY EARTHLY PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE


I want to create a game. Now don't ask where I came from (no I wasn't birthed, I just exist), I just want to make a game. I start with a blank screen on an already programmed piece of software that allows me to write code. I start typing "Create : agent.Heaven;" and "Create : agent.Earth;" I proceed to run the simulator and find that it is without error. Good. This will be the platform for my game.
On the next line I write "Create : agent.Firmament;". Pretty good. I proceed to type the same piece of code to create land, plants, the sun and moon, water animals, birds, and land animals. I proceed to run the simulator: no errors at all. Good. My game is going to plan so far.
Now in my game, I want a main character or, rather, characters. "Create : agent.Human;" I model this specific character on me. I run the simulator. ERROR!: Bug in agent.Human! Huh? An error? Oh well, instead of editing this piece of code or even editing it, I will continue because why the hell not? A broken game is the greatest, right? Right, now time to mak... actually... I.. I'm pretty tired. Even though I can not get tired, I will rest anyway..
*The next day*

Well that was a nice rest! Now back to working on my game. *Opens file 'Game.script'*. Huh, that's strange: the code has magically switched places. Apparently I typed out the code for creating man BEFORE I typed out the code for the other characters... Well that's strange because I remember coding the last entity as "Human"... (Genesis 1 and 2).
All these strange things are happening with my game, nevertheless, I shall continue. "Create : agent:Human2;" This shall be Human's companion. I run the script: ERROR!: Bug in agent.Human and Human2! Wow! Another error! Let's pretend that did not happen.. And just to spice things up let me... "Create : entity.VeryDangerousTreeThatMayRuinMyGame;" I. Am. A. Genius.
*Run script*
ERROR! Game has broken. Would you like to Edit your code or Restart? Oh no, my game is broken. I'd better not fix it!



And thus, we have the Earth. We have us. The broken entities. Why aren't we fixed? Well I would say the creator has given up on us and started a new project.
Creationists will try to defend this.

Opinions and comments?

In the beginning YOU created a game for yourself to play, but before stepping into this game there was a question in YOUR mind.

Q: How can such a game give true enjoyment until you may forget you are the creator of this game ? Thus.. you turned this game into an illusory game, Which means that you will forget everything, your power, your rank, your place, your status, after jumping into this game.

But again an another new question got arise, Q: As You will forget everything about yourself after jumping into this game, than who will pull you out if/when you will get tired after playing a lot ? Thus, by giving all of your powers YOU created a CLONE of yourself and gave him the duty to pull you out.

Now, asked that clone; Sir, how will i come to know that you are really tired of this game ? YOU said; when i'll cry and beg in front of you to take me out of this game like as you created me, rather than i created you.

And finally by saying this YOU jumped into this game.

GOD is that CLONE

Any question ?

 

[Ultimatum]

As you wish.

First, Not all denominations believe in Original Sin so you can scratch that off your list. Second, There were no errors. Everything was meant to be, Especially in the Garden, So that this day would come about, and the next day and so on. There was no mistake, no accident, no problem. What is, was meant to be.

Also a lot of Christians don't believe in a literal interpretation of Genesis, And some even accept the TOE, Myself included.

As to your first question, What is the point? The point is life. That is the point of Creation. Life, choice, love and everything in between.

If you don't find these answers to your liking, I suggest undertaking some research of your own if you genuinely want to know.

I mean it's all up in the air is it not? Concerning the Bible, people choose to believe in something when it most suits them in a situation. It is astonishing.
And no matter what denomination you are, there was an original sin (hence that I do not type 'Original Sin'). There had to be. Therefore, if God created all things very good, we can expect to have no problems in our history. Yet we do. Something somewhere went wrong.

As to your first question, What is the point? The point is life. That is the point of Creation. Life, choice, love and everything in between.

What you stated is a by-product. God did not create because of life.

 

[Ultimatum]

Fair enough.



You may not "need" it. But you may "want" it.

I know what the experience of watching a favorite movie is like. Therefore, I'll go watch it again.

Omniscience pertains primarily to knowledge and awareness, not necessarily direct experience. Hence the "science" defined by "omni".

You examples are correct; but only in relation to a finite humans.

Omniscience also pertains to understanding, therefore we can assume that God understands what it is like and doesn't need to manifest himself through a finite being to fulfill his "want".

 

[Thana]

I mean it's all up in the air is it not? Concerning the Bible, people choose to believe in something when it most suits them in a situation. It is astonishing.
And no matter what denomination you are, there was an original sin (hence that I do not type 'Original Sin'). There had to be. Therefore, if God created all things very good, we can expect to have no problems in our history. Yet we do. Something somewhere went wrong.

No, I'm sorry but you don't understand. Christianity can't fit into the box you've imagined for it, No matter how much you try and push it in. There is no Original Sin to some Christians, It's that simple.
Nothing went wrong, Like I've said, The fallibility of humans is necessary for free will.

What you stated is a by-product. God did not create because of life.

How would you know? You're just speculating.

 

[Ultimatum]

No, I'm sorry but you don't understand. Christianity can't fit into the box you've imagined for it, No matter how much you try and push it in. There is no Original Sin to some Christians, It's that simple.
Nothing went wrong, Like I've said, The fallibility of humans is necessary for free will.

How would you know? You're just speculating.

I understand that there is no (note the spelling) Original Sin. The Original Sin is the eating from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil which I acknowledge is not the truth (For those wondering The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil and the Tree of Life actually symbolically represent the Egyptian deities Shu and Tefnut)

But of course there was an original sin! It would be beyond foolish to not admit so. You have 'sinned' have you not? Therefore we have sin and therefore there was an original sin.

My logic:
(x) + x = xx

Your logic:
x = xx

 

[Riverwolf]

You examples are correct; but only in relation to a finite humans.

Omniscience also pertains to understanding, therefore we can assume that God understands what it is like and doesn't need to manifest himself through a finite being to fulfill his "want".

Then again, the lack of that necessity is not an inherent indication that it won't happen. "Just 'cause" is a reason enough, perhaps.

You're making good points. I'm basically playing devil's advocate, though, because this is an argument against the omni-ness of the Abrahamic God that I've never seen, and want to see all aspects of it considered. (The Problem of Evil was enough for me to not be monotheist.)

(For those wondering The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil and the Tree of Life actually symbolically represent the Egyptian deities Shu and Tefnut)

Source?

But of course there was an original sin! It would be beyond foolish to not admit so. You have 'sinned' have you not? Therefore we have sin and therefore there was an original sin.

How much of Jewish theology do you understand?

 

[Nakosis]

I don't accept that one exists. The scenario I presented is simply a comparative narrative. It isn't something I think that an omnipotent, omniscient, loving God would do.



You fail to understand that characters cannot code themselves. We cannot edit/delete/rewind on what happened those many supposed years ago. Only the creator can do that. But he hasn't, therefore we can make an argument saying that he doesn't care about the game, this Earth, anymore.

Man has the ability to code himself. I assume that is what freewill is. Here's a sandbox. Build whatever you want. Just don't through the sand about. It makes everyone unhappy.

God created a sand box where if you don't behave it can become very uncomfortable for you. So lets blame God because God gave us the ability to misbehave if that is what we choose to do.

You are responsible for the state of he sandbox. If you don't like the state it is in, do something to change it and stop complaining about being given a sandbox.

 

[Yeshe Dondrub]

One of my students read this and wanted to put this is for the original poster.

"Thank goodness for the modding community to think outside the box and make a better game to fix the bugs of the original".