What is the purpose of Life?

[sayak83]

Hello sayak83,

Thank you for asking .

If you would like to know my thoughts on "What is the purpose of Life".

Would to become and to know about the living and true God who allowed and formed the creation of human beings.

To Love God, and to Love others.

~~~ Though people may not believe that God could be found in the Holy Bible or that they can Learn from Jesus Christ mouth what 'He had to teach, and what He had done, and the amazing life on earth that He did have on here with Him and His 12 Disciples along with saw, Jesus Christ feed, nearly 9,000 people, one seemed like it was 5,000 people, the next seemed like 4,000 people. Had plenty left for the Disciples to have to eat after those others had been filled. Jesus Christ said that He is the bread of life, and the everlasting waters. Jesus Christ does speak in parables but those who are believers with the spirit are trying to figure scripture out by the spirit and asking God to help them understand, believe that people will be open to seeing and finding truth that way.

~ Though I may be wrong, and the bible may be wrong. So do not believe what I say, and see for yourself what is being said here is true or not, or has any purpose for you in your life, or has anything worth looking into.

The choice is up to you! Thank you all for your comments once again, and have a good night.

Last time I said that humans are free to choose their purpose. The justification for this is as follows.
In Hinduism we believe that our inner Self is identical with Absolute Brahman (fundamental transpersonal Being that is all that is, was or ever will be). Because of this identity, we do not have a predefined purpose for the same reason God has no predetermined purpose. That which is not Self (Maya) is created for various purposes by that which is the Self. We are the Self, the world is the Maya. The world has a purpose, we do not. We are the beings for which the world exists, through which the world gains purpose. But we choose our goals as we see fit.

 

[MatthewA]

Last time I said that humans are free to choose their purpose. The justification for this is as follows.
In Hinduism we believe that our inner Self is identical with Absolute Brahman (fundamental transpersonal Being that is all that is, was or ever will be). Because of this identity, we do not have a predefined purpose for the same reason God has no predetermined purpose. That which is not Self (Maya) is created for various purposes by that which is the Self. We are the Self, the world is the Maya. The world has a purpose, we do not. We are the beings for which the world exists, through which the world gains purpose. But we choose our goals as we see fit.

Hello Sayak83,

That explains a whole lot about Hinduism, that was not never known before. Thank you explaining bit more about the topic. (My view of the world is that yes it is here, and people live on it, and people die on it ~ My belief is that there is a true and living God that created us the only way to get to Him is by and through faith in Christ Jesus, and that there are spiritual things and not just all worldly things ~ Though some people may not think about these things, or believe they are true, or that they have any inclination on their life.) ~ And I respect peoples viewpoints and what they believe if that is their belief.

Thinking about the 'we choose our goals as we see fit.'

As human beings born into this world from birth and growing up it seems through out our whole life time it is that for the most part people are going to make the choice to do what they desire, especially those who are young and still growing. And we all make our own choices in life no matter what it comes down to.

Even the smallest choices: Will brush my hair today, will take a shower tomorrow, maybe will eat, maybe will not eat, will drink water, will drink tea instead, will go for a walk, whatever it is.

 

[nPeace]

I wasn't really intending this to be a conversation. I just entered it as a yes/no/comment. Your posts didn't relate. I showed you how they didn't relate. I don't like assumptions (and I try not to). It's not you it's a personal thing.



I try to be direct, but I know when I get posts, I can understand them (and hopefully get the point) when they are direct. The comments and so forth does help, but most of the time if I didn't start a conversation with a person (just interrupted like I did with you), I don't expect much. Mainly because I was not part of the original conversation.



1. I can't think of other ways to put it. Whatever experience you have when you are connected and live for god. Please look at the context. Spirituality, religion, experience, and so forth are words I'm using to describe the same concept or experience when you have some sort of connection with your god.

2. It's feelings, in part. For example, if you had a god experience, I'm sure there is some sort of positive feelings that come from it. They are interconnected with the experience itself (from my perspective). If not, to me, it sounds like a very dead or dull relationship with god-to put it honestly.

3. I got your point and summarized your post for you. In some things children do need first time instruction. My points where

a. Does that child need to define himself by the first-instructions her parent teachers her? (Meaning does one define themselves by their dogma or scripture or is spiritual growth natural).

b. Does a mother need to go on all four knees to teach her child how to crawl (meaning spirituality/so have you can't be taught).



4. Yes. I replied (and above again). I summarized your other post and answered your questions.

I put them in numbers so you can read them. I was told by another member numbering helps him understand what I'm saying. Nothing personal.



This is what I mean by god-fufilled experience.

My question was, do you need instruction to experience all of this....
Are you defined by the instructions?

Again. I understand what you're saying. What I noticed, though, is you're assuming I don't understand you because we don't share the same worldview.

I don't know "your" experience. I'm sure it's very personal. I don't believe it from a christian perspective.

That shouldn't block answering a yes/no/small comment question. Everything else, I don't mind talking about things just when the conversation shifts it doesn't support the answers just mostly tells me I don't understand...I'm missing... I'm this or that.

Totally changes the tone of the convo which could have been done long time ago.



See. That's another assumption. I never objected/accepted any scripture. It's irrelevant to my personal life so I have no personal opinions on it.

If it supports your point, than yes. I'll read it in relation to your point. If you're already assuming I'll reject it just because it's scripture, well, that's a problem right there.

8 O taste and see that the LORD is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him.

That's why I as asking the original question about knowing this spiritual truth of yours only through instruction or can you experience these things without needing instruction now that you're no longer a "child".



Its more you've already assumed what I believe, will say, and accept and reject.

When you have a preconception of what I will already say (above), it stunts the conversation. I have no issues with the bible. As long as it's not a wall of text, you have a clear point, and we're focused on the subject not what either or us don't understand and why.

1. Think of anyone you consider a friend - close, intimate.
This is my experience with God.

2. Think of someone... an adult, whom you admire, look up to, enjoy their company... but they know a lot about things you don't know... especially in the area of advise.
Do you enjoy listening to them, and do you look forward to being in their company, where you will learn new things, and be reminded of things that are of value to you?

For example, it so easy to be influenced subtly by peer presure, but when in the company of someone who reminds you of that, you gravitate toward that person. Isn't that true?

That's my experience with God.

3. Think of food. Can you do without it? Do you enjoy a tasty dish, with delightful food?

That is my experience with God's instructions.

It is as expressed by the Psalmist, in Psalm 19:7-11, and Psalms 119... in its entirety.
However, there is a lot more to it, but it is better expressed by hundreds of scriptures.
(Psalm 93:5) . . .Your reminders are very trustworthy. . .
(Psalm 119:2) . . .Happy are those who observe his reminders,. . .
(Psalm 119:97) . . .How I do love your law! I ponder over it all day long.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

1. Think of anyone you consider a friend - close, intimate.
This is my experience with God.

2. Think of someone... an adult, whom you admire, look up to, enjoy their company... but they know a lot about things you don't know... especially in the area of advise.

Do you enjoy listening to them, and do you look forward to being in their company, where you will learn new things, and be reminded of things that are of value to you?

For me, since I like artist and creativity, when I learn something new, I built off of that (say writing) and write my own poems, my own stories. I go to reference when I need to look up something but the books doesn't define my art.

Reading books, for example, are good for knowledge. I can go back to them many times. Once I have the knowledge, I can apply it and build on it. Make the knowledge dynamic not static.

For example, it so easy to be influenced subtly by peer presure, but when in the company of someone who reminds you of that, you gravitate toward that person. Isn't that true?

That's my experience with God.

For me personally, no. But I can see it true for many people. Some people need a guide to be with them the whole time. Others to start off and go by themselves from there.

3. Think of food. Can you do without it? Do you enjoy a tasty dish, with delightful food?

That is my experience with God's instructions.

I get that....

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(Sorry. Pressed enter too fast)

Thank you. That's what I mean by spirituality and god experiences. Here is an context example of the question I asked that's related to your child scenario.

....For example, you said that a child needs instruction when he or she first learns...it's his first point of contact with the world (my words). When that child gets older, he or she starts depending on the instructions as taught but then as he forms his own experiences, he no longer needs to look at the instructions. His whole life and new god-experiences he has does its own thing. In other words, his heart leads him now that he is pushed off to fly.

With that analogy, I understand your experiences....once you are pushed off to fly with these experiences, do you need someone to hold you up all of the time or can you eventually fly on your own?

I get that you have a connection with the instructions.
I get how much they mean to you and how they are life changing.



Sum: I guess another way to put it is if you learn how to cook a meal, why continue to go back to the same recipe?

 

[nPeace]

Thank you. That's what I mean by spirituality and god experiences. Here is an context example of the question I asked that's related to your child scenario.

For example, you said that a child needs instruction when he or she first learns...it's his first point of contact with the world (my words). When that child gets older, he or she starts depending on the instructions as taught but then as he forms his own experiences, he no longer needs to look at the instructions. His whole life and new god-experiences he has does its own thing. In other words, his heart leads him now that he is pushed off to fly.

With that analogy, I understand your experiences....once you are pushed off to fly with these experiences, do you need someone to hold you up all of the time or can you eventually fly on your own?

I get that you have a connection with the instructions.
I get how much they mean to you and how they are life changing.

(I guess another way to put it is if you learn how to cook a meal, why go back to the recipe)

1. Knowledge is not limited to learning how to crawl, walk, or use the toilet.
2. Knowledge is vast, and ongoing. Science agrees.
3. I want to learn things other than the basics - milk. (Hebrews 5:12)
4. I don't want to make stupid decisions because I think I know how to "walk".(Jeremiah 10:23)
5. I know we never stop learning. So I am happy to be taught, rather than be wise in my own eyes. (Proverbs 3:7)

(Proverbs 1:5) . . .A wise person listens and takes in more instruction. . .
(Proverbs 10:8) . . .The wisehearted person will accept instructions. . .

 

[nPeace]

For me, since I like artist and creativity, when I learn something new, I built off of that (say writing) and write my own poems, my own stories. I go to reference when I need to look up something but the books doesn't define my art.

Reading books, for example, are good for knowledge. I can go back to them many times. Once I have the knowledge, I can apply it and build on it. Make the knowledge dynamic not static.



For me personally, no. But I can see it true for many people. Some people need a guide to be with them the whole time. Others to start off and go by themselves from there.



I get that....

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(Sorry. Pressed enter too fast)

Thank you. That's what I mean by spirituality and god experiences. Here is an context example of the question I asked that's related to your child scenario.

....For example, you said that a child needs instruction when he or she first learns...it's his first point of contact with the world (my words). When that child gets older, he or she starts depending on the instructions as taught but then as he forms his own experiences, he no longer needs to look at the instructions. His whole life and new god-experiences he has does its own thing. In other words, his heart leads him now that he is pushed off to fly.

With that analogy, I understand your experiences....once you are pushed off to fly with these experiences, do you need someone to hold you up all of the time or can you eventually fly on your own?

I get that you have a connection with the instructions.
I get how much they mean to you and how they are life changing.



Sum: I guess another way to put it is if you learn how to cook a meal, why continue to go back to the same recipe?

1. Taking in instructions do not mean, there is only one way to walk and run.
2. There are many ways to eat fruit, but we all eat it. Pushing it up our nose is not eating.
So while we are instructed to eat. They in not just one instruction on how to eat.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

1. Knowledge is not limited to learning how to crawl, walk, or use the toilet.
2. Knowledge is vast, and ongoing. Science agrees.
3. I want to learn things other than the basics - milk. (Hebrews 5:12)
4. I don't want to make stupid decisions because I think I know how to "walk".(Jeremiah 10:23)
5. I know we never stop learning. So I am happy to be taught, rather than be wise in my own eyes. (Proverbs 3:7)

(Proverbs 1:5) . . .A wise person listens and takes in more instruction. . .
(Proverbs 10:8) . . .The wisehearted person will accept instructions. . .

If someone can walk without needing anymore instructions, are they missing out on anything?

"I get they are interconnected (as per your verses)."

Do you think that a wise person can live without the instructions once they have been taught?

 

[nPeace]

If someone can walk without needing anymore instructions, are they missing out on anything?

"I get they are interconnected (as per your verses)."

Do you think that a wise person can live without the instructions once they have been taught?

Is walking the only thing in life?
Edit @Unveiled Artist I am not going to say you did not understand, but your question suggests you did not get what I said about reminders.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Is walking the only thing in life?
Edit @Unveiled Artist I am not going to say you did not understand, but your question suggests you did not get what I said about reminders.

Reminders?

The @ and quotes? Every so often I don't get the @Quotes.

I ask more questions to learn more about the answers and comments you gave.

Here is a good example, though, of what I'm saying. This is a question but it does not have a point that is clear and direct. So, it leaves me to assume what your point is. Consequently, I'm asking you more to explain your point(s) with this question than just telling me what you're trying to say.

With this question and no comment, I can assume just about anything and go off of my assumptions instead of facts. Maybe instead of a fault of mine, maybe it's more we each have different ways of conversing and the more assertive and too the point we both are, hopefully, the less we talk about what we assume and more to talk about the subject...

with that in mind, this isn't just with me. I see you do this in regular debates with other people. I tend to point it out in a couple of people on RF who do this type of thing. Take this as constructive criticism even if you disagree.

 

[Shakeel]

I disagree. They had sex and the new baby was the result. That *is* creation.

Yes, God's creation. They didn't say "be" to it and the child was. Nor did they have any control of what the child would become. Nor do they know when he will die.

 

[Polymath257]

Yes, God's creation. They didn't say "be" to it and the child was. Nor did they have any control of what the child would become. Nor do they know when he will die.

Not as I see it. It is the creative act of the parents, not of some supernatural agency.

Many creative acts have little or not control of the ultimate results. For example, a computer programmer may not have much control of how a user uses the program.

 

[nPeace]

Reminders?

The @ and quotes? Every so often I don't get the @Quotes.

It was not an @ quote. It was a direct response to you.
In fact, I said it, in this post - the one I numbered, to make it easy for you... as you suggested.

I ask more questions to learn more about the answers and comments you gave.

Here is a good example, though, of what I'm saying. This is a question but it does not have a point that is clear and direct. So, it leaves me to assume what your point is. Consequently, I'm asking you more to explain your point(s) with this question than just telling me what you're trying to say.

With this question and no comment, I can assume just about anything and go off of my assumptions instead of facts. Maybe instead of a fault of mine, maybe it's more we each have different ways of conversing and the more assertive and too the point we both are, hopefully, the less we talk about what we assume and more to talk about the subject...

with that in mind, this isn't just with me. I see you do this in regular debates with other people. I tend to point it out in a couple of people on RF who do this type of thing. Take this as constructive criticism even if you disagree.

...but you understand your own questions A, B, C, and expect people to understand them. Tell me why that is Artist.
Is it because you are thinking about your own viewpoint, and you expect people to have that? I'm asking.

The reason I can figure out where you are going with your questions, is because I connect them with what you say previous, even if it is from a previous conversation. I'm a good listener.
This is what I expect grownups do.
You are not saying you don't do that, are you?

Also, another way is by connecting what you say, with what I said.
For example, if you said People swim, and I said 'and dolphins don't?', that's not hard to connect. Is it?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

It was not an @ quote. It was a direct response to you.
In fact, I said it, in this post - the one I numbered, to make it easy for you... as you suggested

I've read it twice. I separate the quotes to read full posts. If I read it all at one time, I'll miss something.

...but you understand your own questions A, B, C, and expect people to understand them. Tell me why that is Artist.
Is it because you are thinking about your own viewpoint, and you expect people to have that? I'm asking.

1. If they don't understand, I expect they ask for clarification not nit pick at my questions and comments.

2. No. Actually, after the second comment-if it's unproductive and battling over who should have said this or that, I loose interest easily. You're reading too much into my intent.

The reason I can figure out where you are going with your questions, is because I connect them with what you say previous, even if it is from a previous conversation. I'm a good listener.
This is what I expect grownups do.
You are not saying you don't do that, are you?

Woah. Now that was an insult. Especially online.

Also, another way is by connecting what you say, with what I said.
For example, if you said People swim, and I said 'and dolphins don't?', that's not hard to connect. Is it?

Well. Now that I know where you already headed with this based on the comment above, there's nothing more I can really say.

I'll try not to ask you question(s) in the future.

 

[nPeace]

I've read it twice. I separate the quotes to read full posts. If I read it all at one time, I'll miss something.



1. If they don't understand, I expect they ask for clarification not nit pick at my questions and comments.

2. No. Actually, after the second comment-if it's unproductive and battling over who should have said this or that, I loose interest easily. You're reading too much into my intent.



Woah. Now that was an insult. Especially online.



Well. Now that I know where you already headed with this based on the comment above, there's nothing more I can really say.

I'll try not to ask you question(s) in the future.

Take care Artist.

 

[Jimmy]

In the whole scheme of things, nothing, it is hypothesised that life is a by product of entropy.

However the individual life strives for betterment and to continue their genetic line

Entropy by product
Lol

 

[Thief]

Interesting that you think the confusion you cause is cured by banging ones head against a wall.
Been at it for years with the same song and dance....
How many times has it actually worked?

many people don't respond

seems to work

try it

 

[ChristineM]

Entropy by product
Lol

There is a hypothesis that life is only possible during a short period (in universal terms) of move toward disorder as predicted by entropy


Edit, found a paper
Thermodynamic Origin of Life

 

[SA Huguenot]

What are your thoughts on what the purpose of life is?

I think there are 2 purposes.
1. To live.
2. To give life

 

[Jimmy]

I think there are 2 purposes.
1. To live.
2. To give life

U forgot the third
To die

 

[ChristineM]

U forgot the third
To die

That's not really a purpose of life, more a consiquence of life