What is the Qur'an?

[best friend]

The Qur'an is a complete record of the exact words revealed by God through Angel Gabriel to the Prophet Muhammad.

The Qur'an is the principal source of every Muslim's faith and practice. It deals with all subjects that concern us as human beings - wisdom, doctrine, worship and law - but its basic theme is the relationship between God and His creatures.

At the same time the Qur'an provides guidelines for a just society, proper human conduct and equitable economic principles.

Apart from the Qur'an, Muslims also refer to the life of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) as a secondary source of guidance.

Belief in the sunnah, the practice and example of the Prophet, is an integral part of the Islamic faith.

 

[Colin_Admin]

What does the Qur'an say a just society is and how can it be achieved?

 

[The Shield of Islam]

What does the Qur'an say a just society is and how can it be achieved?

A just society according to the Quran is a society where everyone know his/her rights and abide by them and work and treat others in accordance with Allah's teachings.

Allah Almighty recognized that humans cant be just and fair, that is why we Muslims believe in the hereafter where everyone will be tried by Allah with his absolute justice and then we will be sent according to our deeds here in this life either to paradise or to hell...I mean look at this world, look at history, how many murders and killings commited without the killers being caught ?

 

[Guevara]

How can punishing people by cutting their hands off etc. be called just (Islamic law)?

 

[The Shield of Islam]

How can punishing people by cutting their hands off etc. be called just (Islamic law)?

First, what do you mean punishing people ?? Islam does not punish people, Islam punishes criminals and theives.

Second, Islam does not punish just for the sake of punishement, these harsh laws work as deterent to stop any criminal and make him think before he commits his crime. it seems you are so concerned about the rights of the ''criminal'' but not about the rights of the ''victims'' of the crime !!!

Islam has great legal system because it cares about the rights of the majority to live peaceful safe life, after all, why should I be worried about my house being broken in ??? why should people in the west for example dare not to leave their homes after darkness ??? is that freedom ?? is that fair ????

if you steal for bread, then Islam does not punish you, but if you steal for something else ( to buy drugs for example) then you have to pay for your crime ( dont forget the pain this crime caused the victims of this robbery ) and by paying harshly for your crime, Islam makes you an example for others to think before they do it. great system with amazing results.

 

[Runt]

How can punishing people by cutting their hands off etc. be called just (Islamic law)?

You have to understand that Islam, like any religion, has its fundamentalists, and its holy book is subject to the interpretation (and sometimes misinterpretation) of mere humans. Many Muslims consider fundamentalists like Saddam Hussein and Al Queda and Osama Bin Laden and the Taliban to NOT be practicing Islam.

 

[Guevara]

Saddam was not a fundamentalist, but a moderate islamist. He opressed fundamentalists. Iraq was one of the most moderate nations in the Middle East.

You say that Islam does not punish you if you steal a bread, but still, you say: Islam punishes criminals and theives.

What about homosexuals, drug users etc. they have done no harm against others. Why should they be punished?

10 000 people die every year in the US. Punishment by death does not solve anything, nor does it prevent crime.

 

[The Shield of Islam]

Saddam was not a fundamentalist, but a moderate islamist. He opressed fundamentalists. Iraq was one of the most moderate nations in the Middle East.

Saddam was not islamist, he was secular socialist ( baath party ).

You say that Islam does not punish you if you steal a bread, but still, you say: Islam punishes criminals and theives.

Stealing when you are hungry does not make you criminal.

What about homosexuals, drug users etc. they have done no harm against others. Why should they be punished?

Do you really think homosexuality do no harm to society and indeed to the nuclear family ???

Do you really think drug user do no harm ?? did you ask youself where drug users fund their habit from ???

10 000 people die every year in the US. Punishment by death does not solve anything, nor does it prevent crime.

Islam does not only work on punishment only, Islam build a society that is balanced ( try to maintain strong families, most criminals are from broken families ) Islam preserve the basic unit of the society; the family while homosexuality destroy it, Islam try to make childern grow in healthy environment where there is no violence or less exposed to one..all these things are sadly not happening in America.

 

[The Shield of Islam]

You have to understand that Islam, like any religion, has its fundamentalists, and its holy book is subject to the interpretation (and sometimes misinterpretation) of mere humans. Many Muslims consider fundamentalists like Saddam Hussein and Al Queda and Osama Bin Laden and the Taliban to NOT be practicing Islam.

well said lady...

by the way, I was reading some of your writings, they are stunning, being an ARAB means I have inherited passion for poetry, I will read more of your writtings and comment on them and then I will ask you for more if you dont mind ?? :idea:

 

[Green Gaia]

Do you really think homosexuality do no harm to society and indeed to the nuclear family ???

No, I do not believe it harms society or families, but I am interested in hearing what Islam specifically says about Homosexuality.

 

[The Shield of Islam]

I respect your opinion, but I think homosexuality is great danger on society, I mean it is very anti nature.

as Islam dealings with homosexuality, it is strictly forbidden.

 

[Guevara]

Homosexuality is not anti nature. Animals are also homosexuals. Dogs, swans, insects, snails, as far as I know, are one gender, etc.
Masturbation is also not "anti natural". I know that some cats, and dogs does it too. Girls and boys start often at an early age, experimenting with their bodies, without influence from others, therefore I would suppose it is natural. Khat and weed does not make you addictive, although heroin, cocaine and others do. I agree that stealing bread when you are hungry is not immoral. But what if you are in a group, and you have to save your food, and everyone got to have the same amount of food, in order to survive, but one of them eat it all in desperation, while being aware of the others will die? My philosophy is, that you should not impose your views on others.

 

[Green Gaia]

as Islam dealings with homosexuality, it is strictly forbidden.

Can you quote a specific verse or text, please?

 

[jtb]

Can you quote a specific verse or text, please?

youth.....


SURA LII:24


"And there shall wait on them (man) young boys of their own, as fair as virgin pearls."


SURA LXXVI:19


"They shall be attended by boys graced with eternal youth, who will seem like scattered pearls to the beholders."


adults....

SURA IV: 19-21

19. But whoso rebels against God and His Apostle, and transgresses His bounds, He will make him enter into fire, and dwell therein for aye; and for him is shameful woe.

20. Against those of your women who commit adultery, call witnesses four in number from among yourselves; and if these bear witness, then keep the women in houses until death release them, or God shall make for them a way.

21. And if two (men) of you commit it, then hurt them both; but if they turn again and amend, leave them alone, verily, God is easily turned, compassionate.




jtb!

 

[The Shield of Islam]

Homosexuality is not anti nature. Animals are also homosexuals. Dogs, swans, insects, snails, as far as I know, are one gender, etc.

I noticed that you related nature with animals, this is not accurate, humans are not animals, humans are not created for homosexuality ( I mean look at men and women, look how they are created to suit each other sexulay : the penis and the vagina.

Masturbation is also not "anti natural". I know that some cats, and dogs does it too.

Again, you are putting animals as standards, this is very wrong, Humans are not animals.

Homosexuality is disease which need to be treated before it kills off the whole society.

Girls and boys start often at an early age, experimenting with their bodies, without influence from others, therefore I would suppose it is natural.

it is natural, but this sexual experiences has nothing to do with homosexuality.

My philosophy is, that you should not impose your views on others

I agree with you, Islam is not imposing any views on others, on the other hand, we muslims dont accept others to tell us what's Islam should be and what should be changed in regards to Muslim laws, we Muslims are quite happy with the islamic sharia laws and we want them applied all over the Muslim world, these laws apply only on Muslims, non muslims have their own laws depending on their own religion.

After all, I dont want to live in a society where I cant go outside my home after darkness fearing for my life..I dont want a society where people have to fix burglary alarms on their homes..I want to live safe, this is what Islam quaranttes through its strict laws.

 

[Green Gaia]

Thank you for posting the verses Islam uses to teach against homosexuality, even though I don't see anything there that jumps out at me saying, "Homosexuality is wrong." I've always heard Christianity's verison of homosexuality and know those verses quite well, and was just curious what Islam said about it. I don't want to get into an argument with you about this, obviously you have your views and I have mine, but I would like for you to explain your statement:

Homosexuality is disease which need to be treated before it kills off the whole society.

On what do you base such a statement?

 

[anders]

As always, there is the question of judging a religion from its sacred books or from actual practice. Cutting off offenders' hands is very abhorrent to me. That is (just) one reason why I think that the Old Testament/TaNaK should be scrapped. The handcutting sentence is there - only for women, of course, and, to be fair, under rather special circumstances, BUT IT IS THERE.

For its time, the Holy Qur'an was radically positive in its view of rights of women. The OT is clearly more inhuman in those respects.

Another aspects where the Holy Qur'an comes out favourably in a comparison is the treatment of other religions, compared to the constant command in OT: Kill them!

You cannot blame the atrocities of presidents like Saddam Hussein and George Bush on the religions they are thougt to follow.

Anders

 

[isubmit]

Allah(swt..subhaana wa ta’alah) has provided humans with instincts that he may survive life here on this planet that alone has created.
Instincts such as for food, shelter, clothing, sex and so on. He(swt) has provided us with a brain capable of rational thinking. He (swt) has sent to man guidance throughout the ages by way of prophets and messengers. In Islam, the last and final guidance for all of humanity, we know that Allah (swt) has created man and woman to be mates to each other (male to female). We know that there are rules as to how to satisfy our needs for sex and procreation, i.e male husband-female wife. We are not like animals that have an urge then satisfy it at will with whatever is available. There is to be no sex with anyone (and nowadays with anything) else outside of this arrangement. One doesn’t have to look far to see the tragic results of fornication, adultery and homosexuality.


Homosexuality is a tremendous threat on society. Kids today question their sexuality not knowing if they should be straight or gay. Gay couples wanting to adopt kids because they can’t produce them themselves (aberrated relationship perhaps). The kids become confused seeing two men or two women trying to portray the role of a man and woman and wonder if perhaps there’s something wrong with their own self. The humiliation of them by their peers is another tragedy which can lead to further and/ or deeper psychosis. Say,for ex., a homo. dresses like a female, walks and talks like a female looks 97% female then tricks a guy into having relations (sex) . This will cause much mental distress on the guy to where he may resort to murder. There are many examples of the dangers to society of this ghastly practice. Want some easy ones…watch Jerry Springer and shows of its like.

 

[The Shield of Islam]

Homosexuality is disease which need to be treated before it kills off the whole society.

On what do you base such a statement?

The aim of natural sexuality is procreation. Lawful and natural sexual relations between man and woman has been designed by Allah to preserve the human race here on earth. Homosexuality is negatory of the natural role and aim of sexual activity.

Through this act, man degrades his humanity and announces extermination as his policy. Moreover, it implies wretchedness and misery of the womenfolk and he himself is prone to so many diseases: the basic organs of his body, brain, heart, liver and kidneys become deficiently immune (AIDS), his face lacks the sparkle of health and he looks off-colour and melancholy, with the result that such an incapacitated criminal becomes worthless to women. This wretched outcast deprives himself of the bounty of procreation and the priceless jewel of morality.

Homosexaulity should be strictly banned, if the west want to destroy itself, it is their choice, this will never ever happen in the Muslim world.

 

[anders]

Some previous posts seem to regard the question of homosexuality as being only one of sexual behaviour. It is rather primarily a question of love, and who would like to prohibit people from loving one another? Shield seems to think that all homosexual persons are men. How wrong! And don't forget that a number of homosexual couples do want to have children, and so they consider adoptions, artificial insemination in the case of woman-woman relationships etc.

Personally, I do not believe in any "aims" or "meanings" in what "nature" has given us. I do not think of myself as a traitor against humanity because I do not have any children.

Your descriptions of homosexuals are uniformed caricatures. A former fiancée of mine had quite a number of male homosexual acquaintances among her many friends of all kinds. They were all, without exception, very nice people, and only in very few cases (one or maybe two), you could guess their inclination. They sure did not look more unhealthy than the average "straight" people.

Anders