What is the State?

[Estro Felino]

What is the State to you?

Juridically, philosophically, socially, economically, politically and anthropologically, ...be as accurate as possible.

 

[The Hammer]

What is the State to you?

Juridically, philosophically, socially, economically, politically and anthropologically, ...be as accurate as possible.

You first.

 

[Estro Felino]

To me the State is a supreme, abstract entity to whom I am absolutely loyal.

It is a principle that is superior to my religious beliefs (which are private and personal, so insignificant than the notion of State).

It is an entity that represents the common good, or common welfare.
Which is a supreme being, to whom all citizens and their own will have to bow.

The State becomes tangibile in its written form, the Constitution. The Grundnorm, philosophical concept that describes a list of principles that pursue justice and equity.

So to me the Grundnorm comes first.
My personal or religious beliefs come second.

That is why the State shall be social, democratic, secular, and founded upon fundamental human rights.
Like the right to work, the freedom of speech, the freedom of religion, the right to self-fulfillment.

 

[Estro Felino]

That is the State philosophically speaking.

 

[sun rise]

In the US, the 'state' is a geographical division of the USA. So I think of "government".and specifically the federal government. I can do no better then the writers of the Constitution whose words say it for me in the preamble.

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

The purpose of government is thus to carry out the fundamental principles articulated in the preamble.

 

[Spirit of Light]

What is the State to you?

Juridically, philosophically, socially, economically, politically and anthropologically, ...be as accurate as possible.

A place.

 

[Estro Felino]

In the US, the 'state' is a geographical division of the USA. So I think of "government".and specifically the federal government. I can do no better then the writers of the Constitution whose words say it for me in the preamble.

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

The purpose of government is thus to carry out the fundamental principles articulated in the preamble.

Let's distinguish, as for the US
The State is the central authority of a country, that includes all administrative apparatuses, that is the Parliament (or Congress), the judiciary and the Government, and all the public administration entities.
The Congress has legislative power. Lawmaking.
The Judiciary, judicial power.
The Government (the POTUS and the secretaries) has executive power.

So some Americans use the term Government improperly, because the Government is just a fraction of what the State is.

 

[Estro Felino]

A place.

That is the country.
Let's distinguish.

 

[Estro Felino]

In the US, the 'state' is a geographical division of the USA. So I think of "government".and specifically the federal government. I can do no better then the writers of the Constitution whose words say it for me in the preamble.

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

The purpose of government is thus to carry out the fundamental principles articulated in the preamble.

Thank you for mentioning the preamble of the US Constitution.
It would be great if it were implememted fully.
But it turns out it is not. De facto it is ignored.

I don't think the US Constitution has the same absolute, binding and mandatory value as the European Constitutions .

 

[Spirit of Light]

That is the country.
Let's distinguish.

To me its the same thing. Its one and the same

 

[Estro Felino]

To me its the same thing. Its one and the same

I don't think that in the Norwegian Constitution it is written that the State is just a territory.
What does the king stand for, then?

 

[an anarchist]

I’ll excerpt from one of my books on anarcho-capitalism.

What is the State?

... it is interchangeable with what is more commonly referred to as the “government.” However, using the term “government” in place of the “State” can be misleading as it insinuates that a Private Property or Free Market Anarchist society (aka anarcho-capitalist or voluntarist society), the market is the governing presence and enforceable rules and norms still exist, e.g. the non aggression principle. In the Free Market, no one may rightfully or legally commit aggression against the persons or property of others. In distinct contrast, however, the State is an institution which has the exclusive legal right to commit aggression against others in a geographical are. More specifically, the State is that institution which confers upon itself the status of ultimate arbiter in all conflicts, as well as the exclusive privilege to create, interpret, and enforce law. In addition to these privileges, it also retains the power to lay taxes on its citizens i.e. to make them pay for its “services” or else face fines, imprinsonment, or even death if arrest is resisted.
Excerpted from A Spontaneous Order, An Anarcho Capitalist case for a stateless society

 

[an anarchist]

Hoppe said
The State is an agency that exercises a territorial monopoly of ultimate decision making. That is, the State is the ultimate arbiter of every case of conflict, including conflicts involving itself. It allows no appeal above and beyond itself.

 

[Estro Felino]

I’ll excerpt from one of my books on anarcho-capitalism.

What is the State?

... it is interchangeable with what is more commonly referred to as the “government.” However, using the term “government” in place of the “State” can be misleading as it insinuates that a Private Property or Free Market Anarchist society (aka anarcho-capitalist or voluntarist society), the market is the governing presence and enforceable rules and norms still exist, e.g. the non aggression principle. In the Free Market, no one may rightfully or legally commit aggression against the persons or property of others. In distinct contrast, however, the State is an institution which has the exclusive legal right to commit aggression against others in a geographical are. More specifically, the State is that institution which confers upon itself the status of ultimate arbiter in all conflicts, as well as the exclusive privilege to create, interpret, and enforce law. In addition to these privileges, it also retains the power to lay taxes on its citizens i.e. to make them pay for its “services” or else face fines, imprinsonment, or even death if arrest is resisted.
Excerpted from A Spontaneous Order, An Anarcho Capitalist case for a stateless society

Do you agree with this definition?

 

[an anarchist]

Do you agree with this definition?

Yes, I’m an capitalist type of anarchist

 

[Estro Felino]

Yes, I’m an capitalist type of anarchist

I am the opposite.
I am statalist, socialist and populist.

Statism: political and social doctrine, also theorized by Italian philosopher Croce. It says the State is the supreme being that ensures the functioning of society, politics, economy.

 

[Spirit of Light]

I don't think that in the Norwegian Constitution it is written that the State is just a territory.
What does the king stand for, then?

The King in Norway has no power its the selected covernment who has the "power"

My reason for answering the way i do, is because i do not see the world as a place of many borders, but a place for all humans to live together.

 

[ChristineM]

What is the State to you?

Juridically, philosophically, socially, economically, politically and anthropologically, ...be as accurate as possible.

Fine thanks

 

[Estro Felino]

The King in Norway has no power its the selected covernment who has the "power"

My reason for answering the way i do, is because i do not see the world as a place of many borders, but a place for all humans to live together.

In parliamentary monarchies, the monarch represents the State. Even if they have no power, de facto. They just represent the Nation and stand for constitutional guarantee of the democratic process.

 

[Spirit of Light]

In parliamentary monarchies, the monarch represents the State. Even if they have no power, de facto. They just represent the Nation and stand for constitutional guarantee of the democratic process.

In theory yes i agree