What Is You Definition of Immoral?

[McBell]

And we can tackle those damned wheelchair ramps, next.

What?
I like those ramps.
They give my children something to do whilst I am inside...

 

[McBell]

Seems to me that what is moral and immoral is based mostly, if not exclusively on what you like and dislike.
If you like it, it is moral.
If you dislike it, it is immoral.

 

[Sunstone]

A good rule of thumb for living a moral life is to figure out what most people are doing, and then do the opposite.

 

[kadzbiz]

In Hell, the demons eat them like popcorn!

No. They hate them too.

That which does not conform to the will of God...

But nobody really knows what his will is exactly.

 

[DallasApple]

Immoral is when you dont care...About your self or others or both..Its immoral because thats a horrible way to be..We have to care..

Blessings

Dallas

 

[Blentyn chan Celi]

Potus

This must be the most profound you’ve said yet.

 

[ChristineES]

What about the psychotic personality?

Is it fair to hold them morally responsible when they haven't the faculty to care if they hurt others?

Do you just assume that I don't take the mentally into consideration? Having mental illness in my family (a lot of bipolar members) I know that a mentally ill person should be given more compassion that someone in their right mind.

 

[w00t]

I agree with ChristineES. (except I am not sure about the hurting God part?).

Hurting yourself is just as immoral as hurting someone else and for exactly the same reason. Harm is harm and suffering is suffering. To put yourself in a special category is egotism.

My body is mine to do with as I wish. I would be selfish if I hurt those I loved by topping myself, for instance, but I don't think it is immoral!

 

[Valjean]

I see harming others, with some exceptions; causing suffering, or damaging Gaiea as immoral.

Hurting oneself I'm not so sure about. Some people find pleasure in pain; excitement in fear. Piercing, boxing, roller-coasters, horror movies -- not everyone's cup of tea, but some people enjoy them.

 

[crystalonyx]

Immorality, like "sin" is a relative term, relative to culture, religion, and tradition, I don't think the term can easily be pinned down.

 

[w00t]

Immorality, like "sin" is a relative term, relative to culture, religion, and tradition, I don't think the term can easily be pinned down.

I agree!

 

[Sunstone]

Immorality, like "sin" is a relative term, relative to culture, religion, and tradition, I don't think the term can easily be pinned down.

Morality is not entirely relative. There is an emerging science of morality that has already provided evidence for a genetic basis to some moral notions. So, think of morality as a human trait like tool use. On one level, tool use is genetic -- all humans, regardless of culture, use tools. On a second level, tool use is cultural -- different cultures have different designs for tools, or different tools, or different ways of using them. On a third level, tool use is individual -- a person might use a tool in a way that is unique to him or herself. Or they might not use all the tools available in their culture.

So too, morality, on one level is genetic, on another level is cultural, and on a third level is individual.

 

[ChristineES]

My body is mine to do with as I wish. I would be selfish if I hurt those I loved by topping myself, for instance, but I don't think it is immoral!

The problem is that you can't hurt yourself without hurting someone else. So, if you hurt yourself then you are also hurting someone else.

 

[Draka]

1. Doing anything to anyone else that you would not want done to you or anyone you care for. (violating the "Golden Rule")

2. Making decisions for anyone else based on your own beliefs or thoughts without regard for theirs.

3. Any purposeful act or exchange of words that inflicts any kind of emotional, psychological, or physical pain on anyone else.

2 and 3 both still kind of fall under 1. They are just being more descript.

 

[Valjean]

The problem is that you can't hurt yourself without hurting someone else. So, if you hurt yourself then you are also hurting someone else.

Would you ban tattoos, Karate and horror movies? They cause physical or psychic pain/damage, but do they really impact others any more than a hundred other decisions we make every day?

 

[Draka]

Would you ban tattoos, Karate and horror movies? They cause physical or psychic pain/damage, but do they really impact others any more than a hundred other decisions we make every day?

It would depend on the extent of the self-inflicted harm. While my getting a tattoo on my ankle doesn't harm anyone else, ...cutting myself, suicide attempts, locking myself in a closet, binge drinking, doing drugs...all these things can have a profound effect on my family and loved ones. I become a burden, a source of emotional turmoil, and a neglectful parent and spouse. These actions that I would take against myself would indeed harm those around me.

 

[w00t]

It would depend on the extent of the self-inflicted harm. While my getting a tattoo on my ankle doesn't harm anyone else, ...cutting myself, suicide attempts, locking myself in a closet, binge drinking, doing drugs...all these things can have a profound effect on my family and loved ones. I become a burden, a source of emotional turmoil, and a neglectful parent and spouse. These actions that I would take against myself would indeed harm those around me.

If you have people relying on you then yes if you harm yourself then it is wrong, I agree. I care for my disabled husband and son, so taking care of my own health and needs is important.

Good luck with your pregnancy Draka. My youngest daughter is 25 weeks gestation with her third. She has two little lads, so it would be lovely if number three was a girl!

 

[ChristineES]

Would you ban tattoos, Karate and horror movies? They cause physical or psychic pain/damage, but do they really impact others any more than a hundred other decisions we make every day?

I am talking mostly about using illicit drugs, too much alcohol, and things like that. I am not talking about tattoos, piercings and horror films, that is just plain ridiculous. Karate is self-defense and I can not see why you would add that.

 

[crystalonyx]

Who are we to judge whether someone else "hurting themselves" is immoral? Maybe it is in our eyes(strongly affected by our own prejudices), but not in theirs. Again, relative to the observer.

 

[Draka]

Who are we to judge whether someone else "hurting themselves" is immoral? Maybe it is in our eyes(strongly affected by our own prejudices), but not in theirs. Again, relative to the observer.

So, you don't feel that most people would find it immoral for a parent to binge drink themselves into a stupor most of the time and neglect their children? How about a parent who is a cutter and one of their children see mommy or daddy slice themselves open and bleed...thus scarring the child psychologically? Are you saying that if it is not immoral in a persons eyes to neglect, abuse or abandon their children or family it should be fine with everyone else?