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What is your best evidence for a god?

Muffled

Jesus in me
Personal interaction with Deities and Spirits on a regular basis has led to my belief in Gods. Experience is evidence enough IMO.

I believe I had experience with a demon but I was not dumb enough to wish to have him around or listen to anything he said.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
my own experiences and observations.
from this I conclude that the universe in its entirety is alive in some "alien" manner......
everything I get from others is pure hear-say, and needs to be followed up, looked into, like a detective following leads, not merely accepted at face value.

I believe most people's experience is a lack of experience.
 

MNoBody

Well-Known Member
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stvdv

Veteran Member
If Jesus tells you that you are wrong, is that desirable?
To be honest, I get a better feeling when Jesus tells me that I am right, so "Jesus telling me I am wrong is not what I desire". That would be a "not smart" desire, because being wrong means ... ah well, you are wrong = not smart
 

stvdv

Veteran Member
If Jesus tells you that you are wrong, is that desirable?
IF I had to choose "Jesus telling me I am wrong" or 'Jesus not telling me anything", I would go for "Jesus telling me I am wrong". And Jesus knows that I don't like Him to use others, so He should be man enough to tell me Himself, in person, in real life;)

I would even make mistakes on purpose IF that would get Jesus to appear in my room.:D
 
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stvdv

Veteran Member
If Jesus tells you that you are wrong, is that desirable?
When my Master comes in my dream and tells me something, or in meditation, then it's 100% guarantee that He corrects my mistakes (I wrote 100% because that is probably wrong, so I give Him a reason to correct me once more:D). Never He comes to tell me a compliment:D

But that makes sense because my Master told us "be happy if others point out your mistakes, because you have the opportunity to improve yourself, and you should be grateful to them and thank them even. And you better stay away from people who give you compliments, because they only add up to your ego, which is not useful if you want to grow in a good person.;)

Note: Of course the first few years my Master was very nice to me, I could not do anything wrong (being a pleaser that is kind of difficult anyway). But when I started to really trust Him and love Him, He started pointing out all my mistake, not sparing me, even in public scolding me. But at that time I could not care less; being hit by a Master is a blessing; much better than being avoided by the Master:D
 
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MNoBody

Well-Known Member
in ones doings competence is the ideal,
and in one's competence, be compassionate;
and in compassion, actualize benevolence.
Blessed are the peace-makers.
Building a better Here and Now by being the change they will to see in the world.
I am that I am
I will be what I will to be.
Evidence either follows or does not, there are no mistakes.:)
 

leroy

Well-Known Member
Your job now is to show me how that defeats the first principle, since that was your original claim. I ask because your argument that there is an active -100 and and an active +100 does not. At least, according to its reading. So, that must a different principle. Which one is that?

You are the one who is suggesting that there is zero energy in the universe, my response NO, you are misinterpreting the data, negative energy (negative joules) doesn’t exists




Yes, my Muslim friends confirms. Do you agree with his claims that miracles happen when you pray to Allah? If not, why not
?

Take for example the resurrection of Jesus, Can your Muslims friends provide an example of a miracle reported in multiple independent sources, where the witnesses were unlikely to be lying (the where willing to die for the belief in the resurrection) and where multiple witnesses saw the same thing at the same time (making hallucinations very unlikely)

If your Muslim friends can provide an analogous example I would accept it as powerful evidence for Islam.



Unfortunately for you, that same science destroys them. LOL.

Ohh, so why didn’t you start with that? why don’t you show the scientific evidence that destroys any of the cosmological arguments typically presented by apologetics, (feel free to choose from the Kalam cosmological argument, the FT argument, the contingency argument etc.)

Oh wait, yes you are an atheist, you don’t have to support any of your assertions


You don't get it, do you? There is no "came" that is applicable when we are dealing with tenseless concepts.

Ciao

- viole
The fact that you are playing semantic games simply show how desperate are you.
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
You are the one who is suggesting that there is zero energy in the universe, my response NO, you are misinterpreting the data, negative energy (negative joules) doesn’t exists
Every student knows, after about one week, that negative energy is possible. Actually, you can add, or subtract any value to energy, without changing the physics. A sort of mild gauge invariance.

Do you know what the potential energy of a two body system under Newtonian gravitation is? Does it have a "-" sign in it? :)

Therefore, your claim that negative energy does not exist is something that you just made up.

Take for example the resurrection of Jesus, Can your Muslims friends provide an example of a miracle reported in multiple independent sources, where the witnesses were unlikely to be lying (the where willing to die for the belief in the resurrection) and where multiple witnesses saw the same thing at the same time (making hallucinations very unlikely)

If your Muslim friends can provide an analogous example I would accept it as powerful evidence for Islam.
What resurrection? LOL. I hope you do not consider what is written in a book evidence of anything. And if any so-called eye witnesses are to be taken seriously, then UFO exists, and Elvis is still alive. :)

I am sure the evidence you have of your hero resurrecting is the same he can present to you concerning his prophet flying to heaven on a winged horse. Zero, basically.

Ohh, so why didn’t you start with that? why don’t you show the scientific evidence that destroys any of the cosmological arguments typically presented by apologetics, (feel free to choose from the Kalam cosmological argument, the FT argument, the contingency argument etc.)

Oh wait, yes you are an atheist, you don’t have to support any of your assertions

Of course I can. And if you like Kalam, be my guest. It is my favourite argument, since there are so many independent ways to destroy it, that it is mind boggling that people, beyond Answers in Genesis, are still using it. But you can use any argument you like. I actually love to discuss them.

The fact that you are playing semantic games simply show how desperate are you.

Desperate? LOL. I have no idea what you mean. What semantic games? I am just pointing out that using tensed verbs to describe the a-temporal might lead to hopeless contradictions. That is just basic logic.

Are you aware of the B-theory of time? Or are you still stuck with 18th century philosophy of time?

Ciao

- viole
 
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