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What Is Your Opinion On Marijuana?

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Or at least one that can be readily perceived by those not privy to their personal lifes, anyway.
Considering I know many people who smoke pot, some of them convicted felons, some of them only guilty of possession of marijuana, but for the most part they are generally good people like most other people.

What is your point? People succeed despite all kinds of faults and drawbacks. Are you implying something?
My point is that there are very obvious cases of public known use of marijuana, some use which is very heavy, and they still function.
 

apophenia

Well-Known Member
I'm purposely being clear and truthful. Apparently that is not fair.


No, in my opinion you are not being clear and truthful. And here is why -
Quote from LuisDantas :
I don't think I have ever met anyone with significantly less sympathy for recreational hemp than myself.

I'm like that. I don't very easily deal with the idea that recreational drugs even exist.

This is your issue, and you have not acknowledged it. Your statement is not a statement about mental or physical harm - you have clearly stated that the very idea of recreational drugs is what bothers you.

You have also stated that you consider using psychoactive substances 'immoral', in and of itself.

You have provided no justification or clarification of this aversion of yours.

You did claim that marijuana was responsible for the death of friends of yours, and when asked about how marijuana killed them you simply avoided the question.

So, if you want to claim that you are 'purposely being clear and truthful', you need to explain what you mean by "I don't very easily deal with the idea that recreational drugs even exist".


That statement, and the statement that using psychoactive drugs is inherently immoral, is your real position, and you are trying to claim that marijuana is dangerous to make sense of your irrational aversion. And claiming that marijuana killed some of your friends is a highly dubious statement which you have avoided clarifying.

Why is the very idea of recreational drugs something you can't deal with ?

Why is any use of psychoactives immoral ?

Unless you answer this clearly, you cannot claim to be 'clear and truthful' on this issue IMO.
 

dgirl1986

Big Queer Chesticles!
My father was a drug addict. During the middle of my teens he only smoked marijuana but would drink as well. I can tell you that him on marijuana was safer and easier to tolerate than when he was drinking.

People like to argue about how evil marijuana is and how dangerous it is but lets face facts, alcohol is just as bad...if not worse. The difference? Its legal and its social acceptable to get drunk.
 

Mathematician

Reason, and reason again
What is the difference between a psychoactive experience and a psychoactive drug? People experience highs from attending music concerts and having intercourse. Physiologically, there's no distinction between many of these highs and the effects of drugs. Are you morally campaigning against being high, or what?

What a dull world.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
People experience highs from attending music concerts and having intercourse. Physiologically, there's no distinction between many of these highs and the effects of drugs. Are you morally campaigning against being high, or what?
And you can add running and the endorphin high. And of course routine jogging/running regiments can potentially be damaging to the knees.
 

dust1n

Zindīq
I propose that all drugs should be mandatory so that people just shut up and mind their own business.

Upon turning 15, every American citizen shall be required to drink a Redbull (or Monster) and eat cake so that they realize that inconspicuous drugs like caffeine and theobromine still count. From there psychedelics shall be introduced, starting with weed and culminating in acid.

Now things get dirty. We start to introduce drugs with the potential to overdose. We'll start small: beer, wine, and ecstasy. Then liquor and cocaine.

Upon reaching 18, all adults must register with the selective service by trying methamphetamine, heroin, and tobacco.

Wholly agreed. All children attending school must participate in order to qualify for finishing their diploma. In order to apply for social security, one must first shoot up. In order to drive, one must be on opiates.
 

horizon_mj1

Well-Known Member
IMO Marijuana is a Natural occurring Herb that has several potentials for beneficial purposes. If one is against it I see it as one being against asprin or Tylenol and much safer than opiates (when not smoked). It is non-addictive (for most, psychologically for some) and can not only be used in the pharmaceutical industry but for clothing and paper industries as well. The original reason for the illigalization of Marijuana was due to severe competition in the paper industry; more money was to be made destroying forests as opposed to fields of weeds in which could be used for the same purpose. A bit of a personal take; in 2006 I was involved in an extremely serious vehicular accident which left me with severe migraine headaches in which I suffer at least 4 a week or more (some literally lasting for days). Upon receiving a settlement my Husband and I had our first "Honeymoon" in which we went to the beautiful Netherlands. As most know Marijuana is well tolerated in Holland so I decided as a smoker already, I would give it a shot to see how it effected my migraines; guess what it worked better than any other medicine prescribed and over the counter to eliminate my severe pain. Upon coming home I of course was forced to find a legal alternative (in which I did) to get a part of my life back that was taken. I can now do all of the things I love to do and can have clear logical thoughts without feeling like a cold blade is being turned in my head. There would be nothing better IMO than legalization so not only can I have a remedy in which I see as a natural remedy that does not have all of the binders and toxins that destroy more than they help, but also so maybe I could finally quite smoking (which I will not due until legalization occurs if it ever occurs). I still find it humorous how some people who wear their Religion as if it were a shield but disagree with legalization, but is this not in a way telling God He was wrong for Creating such a plant. Isn't this kind of a punch in the face to both God and Nature claiming they are wrong for the existence of Marijuana?
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I wish I could discuss certain things and how these certain things just have not, at all, had a negative impact on my life. So instead I'll just brag about my sister who is a physicians assistant, makes about $120,000/year, and she smokes weed. Of course not while on the job, as she makes house calls, but in the evening once her younger kids are to bed she usually starts toking.
 

apophenia

Well-Known Member
I wish I could discuss certain things and how these certain things just have not, at all, had a negative impact on my life. So instead I'll just brag about my sister who is a physicians assistant, makes about $120,000/year, and she smokes weed. Of course not while on the job, as she makes house calls, but in the evening once her younger kids are to bed she usually starts toking.

I know/have known psychologists and psychiatrists who smoke marijuana, a curator of a major Australian art gallery who smokes marijuana, very successful computer analysts and designers, and engineers who smoke marijuana, a Tibetan lama of great accomplishment who occasionally smoked marijuana, and various artists and art teachers who smoke marijuana. All of these people are of a similar age to myself now ( 50s) and have established their careers and families while enjoying recreational marijuana.
 

maxfreakout

Active Member
"Marijuana" is a racist term for Cannabis

Cannabis is a very sacred plant and a highly valuable medicine, but there are other plants (such as Psilocybe mushrooms and Morning Glory) which will bring you far closer to God than Cannabis
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
"Marijuana" is a racist term for Cannabis

Cannabis is a very sacred plant and a highly valuable medicine, but there are other plants (such as Psilocybe mushrooms and Morning Glory) which will bring you far closer to God than Cannabis
Marijuana is what it's called. Cannabis is a general term for the cannabaceae family of plants. There are actually a several different types of cannabis (sativa, indica, ruderalis, etc.), most of them offering very little-to-no medical or recreational value, but they still provide the same raw materials for manufacturing.
 

Mathematician

Reason, and reason again
Well, I believe the user was referring to historical connotations. Cannabis was referred to cannabis by most Americans until the federal and state governments tried to attribute Hispanic vices with "marijuana."
 

Mathematician

Reason, and reason again
I know/have known psychologists and psychiatrists who smoke marijuana, a curator of a major Australian art gallery who smokes marijuana, very successful computer analysts and designers, and engineers who smoke marijuana, a Tibetan lama of great accomplishment who occasionally smoked marijuana, and various artists and art teachers who smoke marijuana. All of these people are of a similar age to myself now ( 50s) and have established their careers and families while enjoying recreational marijuana.

Marijuana is indeed one of the most benign drugs in any market. It's astounding how much we pride ourselves on our alcohol and food industries but snicker (at best) at marijuana. All logic be damned - marijuana gets you high.

Let's not even get into shrooms. I am a firm believer everyone should trip at least once in their life.
 

apophenia

Well-Known Member
Marijuana is indeed one of the most benign drugs in any market. It's astounding how much we pride ourselves on our alcohol and food industries but snicker (at best) at marijuana. All logic be damned - marijuana gets you high.

Let's not even get into shrooms. I am a firm believer everyone should trip at least once in their life.

it is good to have the experience of all of nature communing with itself, even if understanding exactly what it is saying is beyond any of its parts ( like you or me ) :D
 

skinker

Member
Tis the new Christian sacrament for Aquarian Age Christian believers who discover in the names "Mari= "the Beloved Goddess of the Sea" and "Juana" is John who Iohannes in Greek who is Oannes, the Babylonian fish god, another water connection to Aquarius and Pisces, the two astrologically associated with Aquarius pouring Living Waters into the mouth of one of the Pisces fishes, only one of them gets the juice. Marijuana is thus a fitting sacrament for the Age of Aquarius Christian believers.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
My brother smoked marijuana just about every day from age 15 till age 40. He also ate poorly and drank too much alcohol sporadically (not daily however). He had a total mental breakdown a few weeks ago at age 40 and was diagnosed with marijuana induced psychosis and permanent brain damage, along with a personality disorder. Considering that he committed some serious acts of vandalism as well as an assault when he was in this state, he was incarcerated and is awaiting trial now.

I know that is hard to believe that much of this is due to his very regular use of MJ from an early age, but his team of medical experts repeatedly told us that this was their diagnosis. They said that there is increasing evidence that MJ use prior to adulthood can damage the development of the brain and that this damage may not show up for years or even decades. They also said that it's not a common occurrence but they do see these cases from time to time and my brother is a classic fit for this sort of thing.

The damage is permanent, according to them. My college educated brother will be in jail or in a mental institution for the next several years and his life is basically ruined.

Even with this situation, I am not condoning keeping MJ illegal. I am saying that people should not just assume that it's harmless. When people smoke it, they need to know the risks. It's not just a harmless little ol' weed.

Smoke at your own risk.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
I agree with Kathryn on this one. From what I've read, the use of marijuana before your brain is fully formed around the age of 22 or 23 is associated with the development of psychosis.
 

Wannabe Yogi

Well-Known Member
My brother smoked marijuana just about every day from age 15 till age 40. He also ate poorly and drank too much alcohol sporadically (not daily however). He had a total mental breakdown a few weeks ago at age 40 and was diagnosed with marijuana induced psychosis and permanent brain damage, along with a personality disorder. Considering that he committed some serious acts of vandalism as well as an assault when he was in this state, he was incarcerated and is awaiting trial now.

I know that is hard to believe that much of this is due to his very regular use of MJ from an early age, but his team of medical experts repeatedly told us that this was their diagnosis. They said that there is increasing evidence that MJ use prior to adulthood can damage the development of the brain and that this damage may not show up for years or even decades. They also said that it's not a common occurrence but they do see these cases from time to time and my brother is a classic fit for this sort of thing.

I think this view is not as universally accepted as some would like to believe.

Marijuana (cannabis) use may be linked to the development of psychotic symptoms in teens - but the reverse could also be true: psychosis in adolescents may be linked to later pot use, according to a new Dutch study.
"We have focused mainly on temporal order; is it the chicken or the egg? As the study shows, it is a bidirectional relationship," wrote the study's lead author Merel Griffith-Lendering, a doctoral candidate at Leiden University in The Netherlands, in an email to Reuters Health.
CELEBS GO TO REHAB
Previous research established links between marijuana and psychosis, but scientists questioned whether pot use increased the risk of mental illness, or whether people were using pot to ease their psychotic symptoms, such as hallucinations and delusions.
"What is interesting in this study is that both processes are going on at the same time," said Dr. Gregory Seeger, medical director for addiction services at Rochester General Hospital in upstate New York.
He told Reuters Health that researchers have been especially concerned about what tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), the active property in pot, could do to a teenager's growing brain.
"That's a very vulnerable period of time for brain development," and individuals with a family history of schizophrenia and psychosis seem to be more sensitive to the toxic effects of THC,



Read more: Does marijuana cause psychosis in kids? Or do troubled kids seek the drug out? - NY Daily News

Smoke at your own risk.

Would you not say that is more true with alcohol. But I agree the use of any drug even aspirin has some risk.
 
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