What is your take on theistic evolution?

[outhouse]

When he gave the 10 commandments.

moses has no historicity.

the ten commandments are almost straight out of the egyption book of the dead.

I don't know what the Earth was like before the flood

no worldwide flood EVER happend

I don't think an exact time can be put on the age of the earth but it seems that it would have to be between 6000 and 9000 years

It can and its laughable to me people put theism before known valid science do to their ignorance to science and theism

 

[Alceste]

Genesis chapter 1.

One cannot call evolution a fact. He would have to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that billions of years have existed. God has never made a claim to have used evolution. I am well aware of the claims that are made as to how people believe they can prove the time.

I understand that there are a lot of questions that beg answers. Many things that I would like to know but am ignorant of. Yes, I choose to go solely off of what I believe God has taught me in his word. My hope is that I am following the right spirit who teaches me what the scriptures mean. That doesn't mean that I know nothing about evolution. I grew up an evolutionist. I converted.

I stated that I believe that it is from Satan. You have come to the defense of your belief. I understand that. I used to defend evolution myself. I defend my own beliefs. Paul did say to prove all things. You are right. In the context he was speaking about prophecy. There are false prophets and we are to prove them and to hold fast to that which is good. When Paul talked about science, he said that we should avoid oppositions of science falsely so called. So in essence he was telling us to examine the science and avoid that which is false. So the bible declares that there will be false science.

The bible teaches that most people who live will die and suffer eternal consequences, yet evolution is widely accepted as fact. Another reason I believe the bible and evolution are incompatible. In scripture, everything is created and man rebels. 1640 years later God destroys the world by a flood. God then begins his work with Israel beginning with faithful Abraham. 2400 years after the flood Israel kills their own messiah. It has been 2000 years since Christ has come. The church is completely corrupt and filled with people who have no desire to follow Jesus but only to have a Savior. If the trend or cycle is repeating yet again, I should be able to expect that God will end this age soon.

Hate me for what I believe and who I am. Belittle me all you want. I'm sure Noah didn't have many friends either. I know Christ didn't.

I wish you well. I hope that you succeed mightily in your search for truth. I pray that God make you prosper in that you do. Have a nice day.

"Used to be an evolutionist", eh? Would you do me a favour and please briefly sum up the theory of evolution as you understood it, and the evidence on which you based your understanding?

I ask because I have never met or spoken to anyone who understood the first thing about evolutionary biology at any time in their lives who went on to become a young earth creationist. From murky, non-committal ignorance to creationism, yes. I've seen that. From understanding evolutionary biology well enough to argue for it to creationism, never. You could be the first!

 

[Dirty Penguin]

moses has no historicity.

the ten commandments are almost straight out of the egyption book of the dead.

And/Or Code of Hammurabi....

 

[outhouse]

And/Or Code of Hammurabi....

good point

 

[johnhanks]

I have seen many claims of evidence that they did such as Inca stones with dinosaurs on them.

Ah, yes, the good old Ica Stones. Always amusing to see them rolled out again.

There is a "very revealing interview with a Basilio Uchuya and his wife, Irma Gutierrez de Aparcana, two peasants from Callango, published some years ago by Mundial magazine (Anonymous 1975). In it, Basilio and Irma admit that all of the stones they sold to Cabrera they had carved themselves....That yellowish, ancient layer that covered the stones was as easily obtained, said Basilio: once the etching was done, the stones were placed in a poultry pen and chickens did the rest. Finally, a recent examination of the stones, done in Barcellona by José Antonio Lamich, founder of the Spanish "Hipergea" research group, revealed signs of sandpaper and recent carvings, thus fueling the hoax hypothesis. When questioned why they did it, the hoaxers answered that etching stones was "easier than tilling the soil"

Or carvings in the base of the Grand Canyon of dinosaurs with man.

The Havasupai petroglyphs do at least seem to be old, but seeing dinosaur resemblances needs the eye of faith.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

My view is that if Neanderthals had created this concept they would say God made evolution to reach Neanderthals in the same way modern theistic evolutionists believe the goal is humanity.

Neanderthals thought they were closest the most advanced... We mock what they didn't know today.
We think we're the closest... yeah.

 

[johnhanks]

... Cain married and had sex with his own sister.

Where does genesis 4 say anything about marriage? And given that they'd moved away from Mom and Dad by then, who married them?

And how, in the same verse, did Cain manage to build a city single-handed? Not with god's help, certainly, since a couple of verses earlier god had sent him packing.

My reason for nit-picking like this is simple: the story you are elaborating so fancifully for us is pure myth, and the people who wrote it down knew it to be such. Like most myths, it provided satisfying explanations for people at the time of how things came to be the way they were. That anyone in the 21st century can regard these ancient stories as literal truth narratives is nothing short of astonishing.

 

[gdemoss]

Jesus believed Genesis to be literal.

"And he (Jesus) answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,"

The only biblical text that directly spoke of this is found in Gen 5:2

Peter believed that the world was young and that there would be people in the future who would not believe God destroyed it with a flood.

"Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men."

David believed Genesis, just read Psalm 104.

You see, according to the bible God spoke and everything was created. I AM NOT INTERESTED IN VALIDATING THIS MATERIAL IN THIS THREAD. The thread poses the question what do you think of Theistic Evolution. I am merely stating that the bible as it is written is in direct conflict with evolution as a theory of origin of life. The two are incompatible.

Those of you who do not believe the bible can take shots at it all you want but your not really addressing the thread topic.

Those of you who don't believe in a literal interpretation of the bible are welcome to change it to mean whatever you want it to mean. That is between you and God. It makes him out to be a liar. He said he created all land animals on the same day. Evolution puts dinosaurs before man existed. The first person ever to change what God had said was Eve and you see the mess that got us into.

Well you all have fun, it has been interesting but I am finished with the topic.

Bye

 

[outhouse]

Jesus believed Genesis to be literal.

"And he (Jesus) answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,"

The only biblical text that directly spoke of this is found in Gen 5:2

Peter believed that the world was young and that there would be people in the future who would not believe God destroyed it with a flood.

"Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men."

David believed Genesis, just read Psalm 104.

You see, according to the bible God spoke and everything was created. I AM NOT INTERESTED IN VALIDATING THIS MATERIAL IN THIS THREAD. The thread poses the question what do you think of Theistic Evolution. I am merely stating that the bible as it is written is in direct conflict with evolution as a theory of origin of life. The two are incompatible.

Those of you who do not believe the bible can take shots at it all you want but your not really addressing the thread topic.

Those of you who don't believe in a literal interpretation of the bible are welcome to change it to mean whatever you want it to mean. That is between you and God. It makes him out to be a liar. He said he created all land animals on the same day. Evolution puts dinosaurs before man existed. The first person ever to change what God had said was Eve and you see the mess that got us into.

Well you all have fun, it has been interesting but I am finished with the topic.

Bye

These are ancient words written for ancient people who knew little of the natural world around them.

They lived in a mythical time and wrote in a mythical nature.




There was never a worldwide flood according to science and this really isnt up for debate.

You have to be hypocritical to believe that happened as you have to discount all modern science in one hand, then type and live accepting only what suits your needs

 

[adi2d]

The Last Question -- Isaac Asimov

Thanks for the link. Its been about 40 years since I read that.