What is your thoughts on Abortion?

[Alex Schwartz]

Explain your reasoning

 

[Woberts]

It's the woman's body, which means it's her choice.
Anything else would be a gross violation of her rights.

 

[Quintessence]

When a species is overpopulated, it is not the time to make laws that exacerbate that problem. With that context, it shouldn't even be up for debate.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Explain your reasoning

Either the state or the mother will be granted the right to make the decision whether a given pregnancy goes to term or not. I prefer it be the mother, who is not an incubator for the state.

I neither support nor oppose abortion. I support abortion rights, and am indifferent which choice a particular mother makes.

The only arguments against abortion rights are religious arguments, which should carry no weight in the public arena. If you have a religious reason to choose against abortion, you should not ask the state to impose your values on others, many of whom don't share that belief.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

It is ultimately up to the woman, as it is her body and her choice. I do not regard foetuses as independent living organisms until the point that there is EEG activity in the brain (roughly around 25 weeks), and even after that point their physical and biological dependence on the mother means that in a case where her wellbeing is sufficiently threatened I have no moral qualms with a voluntary termination.

 

[Revoltingest]

One person should not be forced to support the existence of another.
This means the mother gets to decide what to do with the fetus.

But in the political world, implementing this view becomes complicated.
N all agrees about this, nor about at which stage of development the
fetus acquires right to life. There will be compromise...various stages
at which the right to abort the fetus becomes more limited.

 

[columbus]

The only arguments against abortion rights are religious arguments, which should carry no weight in the public arena.

This is not true.
Here is a brief overview:

Yes, There Are Pro-Life Atheists Out There. Here’s Why I’m One of Them

Tom

 

[1213]

It is "good" for those who sell the parts, because they get money almost for free. Not good for the children that are murdered, because they lose their life.

 

[viole]

It is "good" for those who sell the parts, because they get money almost for free. Not good for the children that are murdered, because they lose their life.

It depends how old is the embryo.Would you call this a child?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Valjean]

It's the woman's body, which means it's her choice.
Anything else would be a gross violation of her rights.

No, it's not the woman's body. The foetus is a genetically unique organism. It may depend on the woman; be parasitical to the woman, but it's a different organism.

It is "good" for those who sell the parts, because they get money almost for free. Not good for the children that are murdered, because they lose their life.

I see your point, but there is no business of selling foetal parts. Leftover tissue from surgery, blood draws, abortions, &c is either incinerated or sold, at cost, to research organizations or medical groups that can use them to save other lives. Nobody makes a profit.are if it's aborted. It has no desire to exist
Murdered? That's a loaded word, as is 'children'.
A foetus is an insentient cell mass, with no self-awareness, no anticipation of futurity, no self-interest. A foetus doesn't care whether it's aborted. It's not aware that it even exists.

This, by the way, is not the case with cows and chickens, yet we have no compunction against killing them.
I fail to see what principles are at play here.

 

[Remté]

Someone forgot to look around before creating a new thread. But I already answered the question to some extent in some of the other exact same threads.

 

[Nakosis]

Explain your reasoning

Pro-Life I suppose I'm being.
Kids are cool. I think all life deserves a chance to exist and we should do our best not to interfere with life.

Abortion is very selfish IMO. Of course we all act selfishly so I'm not saying that as critical it's just a fact. It is very a selfless act to bring another life into the world. It is a burden on a woman and requires a lot of sacrifice. It however is not my job to demand anybody make this sacrifice nor is it, IMO, the government's.

While I hope all would make the choice of life, it's not my job to make that choice for someone else.

 

[David1967]

Explain your reasoning

Only in extreme cases such as rape or incest. Never as birth control. It is a human life.

 

[Jeff Jaredson]

Alex, you are a stupid potato-fish but abortion is not okay. Bloop

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Explain your reasoning

Abortion is a medical procedure, just like giving birth is one. Sometimes something doesn't work out and must be excised from the body of the sentient person involved. Both procedures might kill you but only the former can be done at any time it's necessary to save the sentient person's life. Politicians and preachers who wouldn't be able to find a vagina on a map shouldn't lecture wom -- shouldn't lecture owners of uteruses what to do with their bodies. I don't go around banning Viagra and prostate treatments, I expect the same courtesy.

The only arguments against abortion rights are religious arguments

And much of the time the religions complaining never actually banned the practice and promote killing even adult bratty kids.

It is "good" for those who sell the parts, because they get money almost for free. Not good for the children that are murdered, because they lose their life.

Who sells body parts? Anyone can donate to medical science or whatever. I considered it if I die. I can just imagine Deadpool getting his child-like hand in the first movie or his toddler-sized legs in the second movie not from his healing factor but from some back-alley doctor selling him baby parts.

I think all life deserves a chance to exist and we should do our best not to interfere with life.

Trying to save a kid who's going to die is "interfering with life".

It is very a selfless act to bring another life into the world.

My mother wanted children so she could play a live-action version of play house. My father wanted free servitude out of his progeny. I have no experience with birth being "selfless".

 

[Nakosis]

Trying to save a kid who's going to die is "interfering with life".

I see it as interfering with death. I'm ok with interfering with death.

My mother wanted children so she could play a live-action version of play house. My father wanted free servitude out of his progeny. I have no experience with birth being "selfless".

Well, me either, but I assume it puts a lot of limitations on a women bringing a new life into the world whatever their reason for doing so. A lot that you give up during the process especially if you started out not wanting the child.

I can see it being selfish too, but wanted children is not really the issue.

 

[jfietsam]

Any time something is made illegal, a black market is created. In other words, by making abortions illegal, you create a job market for doctors who have had their licenses taken away.

 

[SomeRandom]

I see it as interfering with death. I'm ok with interfering with death.
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Death is a part of life. We interefere with life all the time. Vaccination, antibiotics, Panadol, even chemotherapy all interefere with life. And living organisms such as diseases.

Well, me either, but I assume it puts a lot of limitations on a women bringing a new life into the world whatever their reason for doing so. A lot that you give up during the process especially if you started out not wanting the child.

I can see it being selfish too, but wanted children is not really the issue.

Assuming they have ready access to today’s medicine, pregnancy is actually a lot safer than previous generations. We have pre and post natal care options, higher survival rates of both women and fetuses. Not to suggest that pregnancy is at all easy. But compared to earlier generations one could argue, outside of instances of things like rape of course, the process has more cushions to it.
And people who have kids just to fulfil their own selfish desires are not selfless at all. Nor is the act of pregnancy itself. It’s a normal human phenomenon, bare bones basic biology.
That said the foetus is not owed anything. Sometimes the woman’s body “gets rid of it” so I’d argue that nature itself supports abortions.

 

[Nakosis]

Death is a part of life. We interefere with life all the time. Vaccination, antibiotics, Panadol, even chemotherapy all interefere with life. And living organisms such as diseases.

Sure I understand sometimes interference is necessary. I just don't see a need to interfere where it is not necessary.

Assuming they have ready access to today’s medicine, pregnancy is actually a lot safer than previous generations. We have pre and post natal care options, higher survival rates of both women and fetuses. Not to suggest that pregnancy is at all easy. But compared to earlier generations one could argue, outside of instances of things like rape of course, the process has more cushions to it.
And people who have kids just to fulfil their own selfish desires are not selfless at all. Nor is the act of pregnancy itself. It’s a normal human phenomenon, bare bones basic biology.

Ok, then I'll try to be less idealistic about the sacrifices of motherhood.

That said the foetus is not owed anything. Sometimes the woman’s body “gets rid of it” so I’d argue that nature itself supports abortions.

Nobody is owed anything, it's our choice how to act towards another living being.

 

[Valjean]

Only in extreme cases such as rape or incest. Never as birth control. It is a human life.

Why would the foetus' history affect it's moral status? Does a foetus conceived by rape have less right to life than a foetus conceived in marriage?
Whom does abortion sin against? What makes it a sin if it's morality varies so?