What Leads to Immoral Behavior?

[mikkel_the_dane]

The instinctual self violates social taboo or even knowingly violates the will of God because the self wants to.

Yeah and my God is the correct one and yours is the wrong one. That game is just so absurd.

 

[Soandso]

Yeah and my God is the correct one and yours is the wrong one. That game is just so absurd.

This is why the idea of morality being objective just doesn't make sense when compared to actual reality and what we can actually see happening

 

[Colt]

Yeah and my God is the correct one and yours is the wrong one. That game is just so absurd.

I never said such a thing! You hear what isn't said or even implied.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

This is why the idea of morality being objective just doesn't make sense when compared to actual reality and what we can actually see happening

Yeah, but as living in a secular country, religion is not the only way to claim objective morality.
In short in the Western tradition we have the ideas of imperium, rationality and/or God.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I never said such a thing! You hear what isn't said or even implied.

No, you don't claim to know what God really is and all that, I know.

 

[Soandso]

Yeah, but as living in a secular country, religion is not the only way to claim objective morality.
In short in the Western tradition we have the ideas of imperium, rationality and/or God.

True! And 200 years from now what we think is moral will change as our culture changes. Always has, and there's no reason to think that will be different in the future, imo

The concept of objective morality just doesn't hold water when compared to what we see in the real world

 

[Nakosis]

Too simple.

Sure, if you don't think about it.

 

[Colt]

No, you don't claim to know what God really is and all that, I know.

Oh that's right, the terminally unique guy, a special case, I had forgotten about your self importance. Let us know when you come in from the wilderness we can have a conversation.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Oh that's right, the terminally unique guy, a special case, I had forgotten about your self importance. Let us know when you come in from the wilderness we can have a conversation.

Right back at you. You are special because you know God for all humans. I am special because I don't know that. I only have my faith as me in God. You are the judge of all faith.
So we are both the same kind of special, right. I don't know and you know, is the same.

 

[Colt]

Right back at you. You are special because you know God for all humans. I am special because I don't know that. I only have my faith as me in God. You are the judge of all faith.
So we are both the same kind of special, right. I don't know and you know, is the same.

Again, you heard what I never said. You are a walking reaction waiting for an event.

Psychological projection is a defence mechanism of alterity concerning "inside" content mistaken to be coming from the "outside" Other.[1] It forms the basis of empathy by the projection of personal experiences to understand someone else's subjective world.[1] In its malignant forms, it is a defense mechanism in which the ego defends itself against disowned and highly negative parts of the self by denying their existence in themselves and attributing them to others, breeding misunderstanding and causing untold interpersonal damage.[2] A bully may project their own feelings of vulnerability onto the target, or a person who is confused may project feelings of confusion and inadequacy onto other people. Projection incorporates blame shifting and can manifest as shame dumping.[3] Projection has been described as an early phase of introjection.[4]

 

[Nakosis]

Instead of saying its atheism or religion, in your mind or opinion what leads to immoral behavior and why.

First you have to define what moral behavior.
Moral behavior is doing good. Whatever your culture, you know what is good per your culture or whatever other factors are part of what you see as good behavior.

So why would you behave is an immoral fashion? Why would you act badly towards someone else?
Usually because you either don't care about them, about their well being, feelings. Or perhaps even dislike or hate them. Demonized them in your mind so then immoral behavior towards them is now appropriate.

What you see as bad behavior maybe different than what I see as bad behavior, but whomever becomes the target of your bad behavior is either someone you never had empathy for or you lost any empathy for.

 

[Nakosis]

The instinctual self violates social taboo or even knowingly violates the will of God because the self wants to.

Sure, but why?
Why do you target some people for bad behavior and not others?

 

[Colt]

Sure, but why?
Why do you target some people for bad behavior and not others?

I assume that the OP is a question to us as individuals. The answer is still the same. "The instinctual self (my----> self) violates social taboo or even knowingly violates the will of God because the self wants to.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Again, you heard what I never said. You are a walking reaction waiting for an event.

Psychological projection is a defence mechanism of alterity concerning "inside" content mistaken to be coming from the "outside" Other.[1] It forms the basis of empathy by the projection of personal experiences to understand someone else's subjective world.[1] In its malignant forms, it is a defense mechanism in which the ego defends itself against disowned and highly negative parts of the self by denying their existence in themselves and attributing them to others, breeding misunderstanding and causing untold interpersonal damage.[2] A bully may project their own feelings of vulnerability onto the target, or a person who is confused may project feelings of confusion and inadequacy onto other people. Projection incorporates blame shifting and can manifest as shame dumping.[3] Projection has been described as an early phase of introjection.[4]

Yeah, that one is also possible with God, but not just God.

 

[Kfox]

Instead of saying its atheism or religion, in your mind or opinion what leads to immoral behavior and why.

The wrong idea of what is right.

 

[osgart]

Arrogance and greed, lead to hatred and immorality, violence and abuse. Blind ignorance also does it.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

The wrong idea of what is right.

The problem is that all cases of wrong as you use it is subjective.
There are the following versions of wrong in short.
Wrong as per objective independent of the brain.
Wrong as per objective as per formal cognition.
Wrong as per inter-subjectively social.
Wrong as per individual evaluation.

You seem to treat wrong as one case of wrong. That is wrong as per description of the different versions of wrong.

 

[Kfox]

The problem is that all cases of wrong as you use it is subjective.

When it comes to morality, yeah; wrong is subjective.

There are the following versions of wrong in short.
Wrong as per objective independent of the brain.

Like Math? True. To claim 1+1=3 is the objectively wrong answer

Wrong as per objective as per formal cognition.

Like opinion? Yeah; that would be subjectively wrong.

Wrong as per inter-subjectively social.

Not quite sure what that is

Wrong as per individual evaluation.

Evaluation? That sounds like subjective again.

You seem to treat wrong as one case of wrong.

No; I've never done that.