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What makes a perfect god?
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Father Heathen
Veteran Member
A god that actually embodies and exemplifies the noble virtues it espouses. A god that actively maintains the balance and order of things with compassion and justice.
whereismynotecard
Treasure Hunter
Maybe one that just creates a certain number of people who get to live forever, and lets us smoke, drink, and do drugs without health problems.
Caladan
Agnostic Pantheist
I am presently unsatisfied with the cultural need (and definition) for a perfect God at all.
I would change the whole perception that God is perfect.
in our theology, humans are bearing the image of god, and our humanity is found in our imperfection, a perfect God, is detached and impossible to relate to.
I form the light, and create darkness ; I make peace, and create evil"
stacey bo bacey
oh no you di'int
I'd be down with that.
GURSIKH
chardi kla
we are incapable to drink , infact GOD provided us that , GURU says
[SIZE=+1]ਰੀ ਕਲਵਾਰਿ ਗਵਾਰਿ ਮੂਢ ਮਤਿ ਉਲਟੋ ॥[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]O brute of brawling and uncultured intellect reversing thy breath from the world, turn it towards thy God.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]ਮਨੁ ਮਤਵਾਰ ਮੇਰ ਸਰ ਭਾਠੀ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਧਾਰ ਚੁਆਵਉ ॥੧॥[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Intoxicate stream that trickles from the furnace of the sublime tenth gate.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]ਬੋਲਹੁ ਭਈਆ ਰਾਮ ਕੀ ਦੁਹਾਈ ॥[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]O brother, invoke and call upon thy Lord for thy assistance.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]ਪੀਵਹੁ ਸੰਤ ਸਦਾ ਮਤਿ ਦੁਰਲਭ ਸਹਜੇ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]O saints, ever drink ye this wine, so difficult to obtain and it shall easily quench thy thirst. Pause.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]ਭੈ ਬਿਚਿ ਭਾਉ ਭਾਇ ਕੋਊ ਬੂਝਹਿ ਹਰਿ ॥[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]In the Lord's fear is the love. A few, who understand the Lord's love, obtain His elixir, O brother.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]ਜੇਤੇ ਘਟ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਸਭ ਹੀ ਮਹਿ ॥੨॥[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]As many as are the hearts, in all of them is the Nectar. Him alone, He makes in-drink it, whom He pleases.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]ਨਗਰੀ ਏਕੈ ਨਉ ਦਰਵਾਜੇ ਧਾਵਤੁ ਬਰਜਿ ਰਹਾਈ ॥[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]There are nine gates to the one body city. Prohibit and restrain thou thy mind from escaping through them.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]ਤ੍ਰਿਕੁਟੀ ਛੂਟੈ ਦਸਵਾ ਦਰੁ ਖੂਲ੍ਹ੍ਹੈ ਤਾ ਮਨੁ ਖੀਵਾ ਭਾਈ ॥੩॥[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]When the knot of three qualities is loosed, then opens the Tenth gate and the mind becomes inebriated, O brother.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]ਉਬਟ ਚਲੰਤੇ ਇਹੁ ਮਦੁ ਪਾਇਆ ਜੈਸੇ ਖੋਂਦ ਖੁਮਾਰੀ ॥੪॥੩॥[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Walking opposite from the world I have obtained this wine and am inebriated as if with the grape wine.[/SIZE]
thanx
cardero
Citizen Mod
A GOD who admits that he/she wasn't always perfect. A GOD who has realized all their mistakes, corrected them and gained experience from them. A GOD who patiently (without judgment) understands that under different conditions and situations every other entiity will learn, grow and experience in this same way.
ManTimeForgot
Temporally Challenged
A Perfect being couldn't possibly have left anything unfinished that was not meant to be "unfinished" if such a concept can actually apply to Complete Perfection.
However, Caladan is fundamentally correct; a Completely Perfect God is completely incapable of being related to in any meaningful fashion. But I rather enjoy this particular fact. Just because "God" can't be related to doesn't mean that there are not higher truths to be aspired to; that there is not some realm of "divine reality" to which we should aspire.
I rather prefer an eternal or perfectly in depth reality; it means that there is no end to our journey; that the mystery never dissipates. I'm just not sure why people think its necessary to have to relate to God personally. Why are we so focused on appeasing or interacting (or whatever) with such a distant being and ignoring trying to just get along with our fellow man?
And a completely distant "God" doesn't mean that there can be no religion; you can still find meaning and spiritual growth in a mysterious universe without appeal or interaction with "God." Who knows what "planes" or "levels" of reality mankind may aspire to?
But more to the topic of the thread:
Complete Perfection is able to embody all states, beings, capabilities, qualities, etc simultaneously, not at all, or partially. Complete Perfection is immune to falsehood and limitation in application (the short-comings of contradiction and tautology respectively), and is able to assert all things and be truthful regardless of circumstance (the logical benefits of contradiction and tautology respectively). Complete Perfection exists completely in the realm of the indeterminate (nothing can be said with certainty about Complete Perfection: up and to including that which I wrote previously). Nothing is the only thing that can be said about Complete Perfection because Nothing is by definition a lack of all states, beings, capabilities, qualities, etc and thus Nothing says Nothing about Complete Perfection.
The contrast of Complete Perfection and Complete Imperfection (Nothing) is quite interesting though as Complete Perfection must be able to "contain' Complete Imperfection (be able to adopt the "trait" of being Nothing). What is interesting about this is that both Complete Perfection and Complete Imperfection must not existence definitionally. Complete Perfection must not exist because to exist would place a limitation on Complete Perfection (it must exist and not exist completely... "simultaneously"), and Complete Imperfection must not exist for obvious reasons.
There is a lack of Complete Imperfection so long as there is anything that is "real" (things which possess traits, qualities, capabilities etc), but does this also necessitate a lack of Complete Perfection since a certain thing does not exist? I don't think so, but the logic seems... strange to me, like I am missing something.
MTF
However, Caladan is fundamentally correct; a Completely Perfect God is completely incapable of being related to in any meaningful fashion. But I rather enjoy this particular fact. Just because "God" can't be related to doesn't mean that there are not higher truths to be aspired to; that there is not some realm of "divine reality" to which we should aspire.
I rather prefer an eternal or perfectly in depth reality; it means that there is no end to our journey; that the mystery never dissipates. I'm just not sure why people think its necessary to have to relate to God personally. Why are we so focused on appeasing or interacting (or whatever) with such a distant being and ignoring trying to just get along with our fellow man?
And a completely distant "God" doesn't mean that there can be no religion; you can still find meaning and spiritual growth in a mysterious universe without appeal or interaction with "God." Who knows what "planes" or "levels" of reality mankind may aspire to?
But more to the topic of the thread:
Complete Perfection is able to embody all states, beings, capabilities, qualities, etc simultaneously, not at all, or partially. Complete Perfection is immune to falsehood and limitation in application (the short-comings of contradiction and tautology respectively), and is able to assert all things and be truthful regardless of circumstance (the logical benefits of contradiction and tautology respectively). Complete Perfection exists completely in the realm of the indeterminate (nothing can be said with certainty about Complete Perfection: up and to including that which I wrote previously). Nothing is the only thing that can be said about Complete Perfection because Nothing is by definition a lack of all states, beings, capabilities, qualities, etc and thus Nothing says Nothing about Complete Perfection.
The contrast of Complete Perfection and Complete Imperfection (Nothing) is quite interesting though as Complete Perfection must be able to "contain' Complete Imperfection (be able to adopt the "trait" of being Nothing). What is interesting about this is that both Complete Perfection and Complete Imperfection must not existence definitionally. Complete Perfection must not exist because to exist would place a limitation on Complete Perfection (it must exist and not exist completely... "simultaneously"), and Complete Imperfection must not exist for obvious reasons.
There is a lack of Complete Imperfection so long as there is anything that is "real" (things which possess traits, qualities, capabilities etc), but does this also necessitate a lack of Complete Perfection since a certain thing does not exist? I don't think so, but the logic seems... strange to me, like I am missing something.
MTF
Lauren MacDonald
Member
I think the god we have is perfect. He is humble but still disciplines. He can be dark and light at the same time and he contains everything. i think if you reach out and seek him he will meet you in the middle and seek you as well.
One has to define perfection to define who a perfect God is. A God who explains all the things and leaves no doubts in the mind of the enquirer should be perfect.
Lord Krishna comes very close to a perfect God due to Bhagvat gita which has all that one needs to know about the universe and all it's attributes. Ofcourse further reading into the entire philopshy of Vedanta would make one know and realise all in a lifetime !
Prasoon Dixit, Vedic Dharmi.
Lord Krishna comes very close to a perfect God due to Bhagvat gita which has all that one needs to know about the universe and all it's attributes. Ofcourse further reading into the entire philopshy of Vedanta would make one know and realise all in a lifetime !
Prasoon Dixit, Vedic Dharmi.
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
Nebulous human language and concepts.
TobyMizziMonash
Member
What makes a perfect God? A perfect mind.
Midnight Pete
Well-Known Member
One of humble service and self-sacrifice.