What makes Jesus Christ different

[Gjallarhorn]

Jesus is different because He is God and because He died a physical death on the cross for all of our sins so that we may be saved if we change our mind about all of our sins and accept Him as our Friend, God, Lord, and Savior. That is what I believe.

Can you prove it?

 

[IsmailaGodHasHeard]

Can you prove it?

Yes I can. How many Bible verses are you willing to read?

 

[Walkntune]

Can you prove it?

Can you prove thats not what she believes?

 

[Gjallarhorn]

Yes I can. How many Bible verses are you willing to read?

How many of them are backed by historical and scientific research?

 

[Walkntune]

People have died defending every faith on the planet... perhaps the apostles were just as fanatical as any other martyr.

As for Jesus coming back from the dead, that's not that unique... Grandfather Coyote does it all the time.

wa:do

Many have died for faiths they believe to be true but the point is how many would die for one they knew to be false?

 

[bigbopper180]

Whether Jesus was God, a man, or a myth, his message of peace and love is something that I believe was word dying for, whether God exists or not.

 

[internationalist]

Many have died for faiths they believe to be true but the point is how many would die for one they knew to be false?

Exactly my point. And this settles the matter once and for all.

 

[internationalist]

People have died defending every faith on the planet... perhaps the apostles were just as fanatical as any other martyr.

As for Jesus coming back from the dead, that's not that unique... Grandfather Coyote does it all the time.

wa:do

Suppose you follow X, and X tells you he will rise from the dead. He doesn't. Would you die for him? Or would you rather announce to the whole world that X is a fraud?

 

[idav]

Exactly my point. And this settles the matter once and for all.

Principles have always been worth dieing for and there is not need for religion to be the center of it. Religion just makes it more justifiable because it makes the cause sound like it is accomplishing more and isn't for nothing.

 

[painted wolf]

Suppose you follow X, and X tells you he will rise from the dead. He doesn't. Would you die for him? Or would you rather announce to the whole world that X is a fraud?

Like I said... Coyote does it all the time, it's not a one time trick with him.

Actually rising from the dead is pretty common among the various religions. So, what makes Jesus doing it so special? Certainly the other religious figures to do it must have done it also, otherwise they would be declared frauds and no one would die for them either?

wa:do

 

[internationalist]

Like I said... Coyote does it all the time, it's not a one time trick with him.

Actually rising from the dead is pretty common among the various religions. So, what makes Jesus doing it so special? Certainly the other religious figures to do it must have done it also, otherwise they would be declared frauds and no one would die for them either?

wa:do

The difference is, the apostles had the chance to verify Jesus' claims; other religious believers didn't and they had to take it on blind faith. That's the crux of the matter.

 

[idav]

Like I said... Coyote does it all the time, it's not a one time trick with him.

Actually rising from the dead is pretty common among the various religions. So, what makes Jesus doing it so special? Certainly the other religious figures to do it must have done it also, otherwise they would be declared frauds and no one would die for them either?

wa:do

He got his followers the moment he turned water to wine.

 

[painted wolf]

The difference is, the apostles had the chance to verify Jesus' claims; other religious believers didn't and they had to take it on blind faith. That's the crux of the matter.

Coyote was a pretty popular guy, he traveled and met with lots of people.... Lots of them talk about seeing him die and come back.

Modern Christians take the Jesus story as much on faith as any other modern person of faith. What makes your apostles stories of meeting Jesus any better than the First Nations elders who met with Coyote?

wa:do

 

[blackout]

The apostles lived with Jesus, the man who claimed he'd rise from the dead. All the apostles had to do was wait three days to confirm it; and if Jesus hadn't risen from the dead, that would have made him a fraud. But the apostles gave up their lives for him ... do you think they'd do that for a fraud?

As you can see, other religious people may die for a leader they've never known or seen - that's fanaticism. But the apostles had the chance to verify whether Jesus was fake or not ... and they must've confirmed he was not. Or why would they die for him?

What makes jesus different from whom?
Other religious Icons?
Other gods?
Other men?

People die for all kinds of characters and causes.
People die for all kinds of frauds and all kinds of truths.
Sometimes they even get all mixed up together,
because people are largely a confused lot,
and because life/people/situations are rarely black and white.

 

[Renji]

The apostles lived with Jesus, the man who claimed he'd rise from the dead. All the apostles had to do was wait three days to confirm it; and if Jesus hadn't risen from the dead, that would have made him a fraud. But the apostles gave up their lives for him ... do you think they'd do that for a fraud?

As you can see, other religious people may die for a leader they've never known or seen - that's fanaticism. But the apostles had the chance to verify whether Jesus was fake or not ... and they must've confirmed he was not. Or why would they die for him?

Because of their commitment of preaching the word. Also, they do not fear those who kill:

Luke 12:4
"I tell you, my friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body and after that can do no more."

Matthew 10:28
"Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell."

and probably because of "Love" that their Master has show to them (the apostles):
John 15:13 "Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends."

 

[Caladan]

The apostles lived with Jesus, the man who claimed he'd rise from the dead. All the apostles had to do was wait three days to confirm it; and if Jesus hadn't risen from the dead, that would have made him a fraud. But the apostles gave up their lives for him ... do you think they'd do that for a fraud?

As you can see, other religious people may die for a leader they've never known or seen - that's fanaticism. But the apostles had the chance to verify whether Jesus was fake or not ... and they must've confirmed he was not. Or why would they die for him?

Or perhaps the apostles preached regardless of the historical reliability of the miracle stories of the New Testament. the stories may carry with them ideology, or may be have been suited to fit an audience.

 

[internationalist]

People are missing the point, so I direct them to #25.

 

[painted wolf]

Many have died for faiths they believe to be true but the point is how many would die for one they knew to be false?

No one, but isn't faith about believing something is true without a lot of evidence?

Hebrews 11:1: Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

The title of the thread is "what makes Jesus Christ different".... thus far I have yet to hear anything that connects the title of the thread to subject of the OP.
Unless, you are implying that what makes Jesus different is that the apostles died knowing their faith was false?

wa:do

 

[Walkntune]

=painted wolf;2634342]No one, but isn't faith about believing something is true without a lot of evidence?

Faith is believing something is true inspite of the evidence.

Hebrews 11:1: Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Faith is the substance in creation(creatice force) that we intuitively connect to that can alter all other substances.

The title of the thread is "what makes Jesus Christ different".... thus far I have yet to hear anything that connects the title of the thread to subject of the OP.
Unless, you are implying that what makes Jesus different is that the apostles died knowing their faith was false?

wa:do

I have read about many who have come back from the dead but I don't know of any other that came back with the keys of death and hades.

 

[painted wolf]

Faith is believing something is true inspite of the evidence.

Faith is the substance in creation(creatice force) that we intuitively connect to that can alter all other substances.


I have read about many who have come back from the dead but I don't know of any other that came back with the keys of death and from hades.

Coyote did... but then he realized the mistake of letting people live forever and explained it to them.

wa:do