What makes the christian god the 'true god'?

[Adstar]

This all presupposes the truth of Christian mythology, of course.

Well that hardly needs stating..

Why do we need saving? Saving from what?

We are under a death sentence for our sin.. We need saving from that death sentence so we may have eternal life in Gods perfect existence.

Atonement? Grace? -- myths; extrapolated animal sacrifice.

The animal sacrifices where but a sign showing the future sacrifice of the Messiah Jesus that would once and for all provide atonement for all whom would believe Jesus..

Sin? What's sin? Who decided what acts were sinful?
God... No comment

Hey you have answered that one for yourself. I need make no more comment

 

[Nakosis]

We are taught that it is one God, not three. One man compared the Trinity to a triangle. But the Trinity is whole different discussion.

Hinduism also has a trinity. There is only Brahma however Vishnu and Shiva are aspects. There is also Avatars like Krishna...

Not to argue trinities but if people are taught they would interact with Vishnu that's who they'd identify as the presence of their experience. A Christian having the same experience would probably identify the presence in the experience as Jesus. Like Paul did in his vision.

Like when Columbus arrived in America he called the natives Indians because that is what he expected to see.

Christians rely on the experiences of Hebrew and Christian prophets. The Prophets had their experiences and supplied names. Whatever spiritual experience, a Christian would expect Jesus, an Hindu might expect Vishnu.

The names are different, the experience might be the same.

 

[Valjean]

Without resorting to Christian mythology how would you answer my comments, Adstar? I'm seeing a circular argument.

What objective evidence do you have for this mythology? Why is it more reliable than Zoroastrian or Taoist mythology?

 

[Nakosis]

This all presupposes the truth of Christian mythology, of course.

Why do we need saving? Saving from what?
Atonement? Grace? -- myths; extrapolated animal sacrifice.
Sin? What's sin? Who decided what acts were sinful?
God... No comment

All kind of primitive derivatives of older beliefs.

Say the spiritual experience happens. The only thing you are taught is some primitive tribal theology. Whatever is experienced spiritually reinforces the primitive theology. So if fits what you experience. Barring any other teaching why wouldn't it become the truth of what you've experienced.

 

[Valjean]

Are you saying that the mystical experience is interpreted through existing cultural filters, Nakosis?

 

[Ingledsva]

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The animal sacrifices where but a sign showing the future sacrifice of the Messiah Jesus that would once and for all provide atonement for all whom would believe Jesus...

The Hebrew Messiah was not supposed to be sacrificed.

Human Sacrifice became against YHVH's Law.

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[Renji]

The Christian God makes sense. The Way of Salvation He has provided makes sense. There is no other way that mankind could ever be reconciled with God and Redeemed. Only by the Atonement and Grace could mankind be saved. One thing is certain no human can achieve a life without sin.

So does that make other gods lesser or no sense at all?
And since you've brought this up, why would a god, who is all powerful, all knowing and stuff allow himself (or his son, whatever) to be sacrificed in order to save humanity from the thing he is displeased (aka sin)? Can't he think of other solutions or perhaps just forgive the people from it?

 

[Renji]

Well, God makes me believe in Him And I've found Christianity (Non-Denom) to be the best way for me to reach Him and to learn more about Him and to do His will. I'm not saying there aren't others way to know God, I'm just saying that my interpretation of Christianity resonates with me, It's teachings inspire me and encourage me to grow spiritually.

So how do you know the 'will of god'?

 

[Thana]

So how do you know the 'will of god'?

I don't, Not really. But I don't ask to know His will, I just ask that He guide me to do His will. Then, in the end, When it's all come together, You can see what His will for you is and how He's lead you to where you are now. It's like a puzzle, It all fits and you can't see the big picture until He's done placing the pieces.

 

[InChrist]

Alright, first of all, I am not condemning any religion or group of people by asking this. But I just want to know, from the christians of this forum, what makes you believe in what you believe in? What makes you believe in the christian god and not believe in other gods (like Thor, Zeus, etc). And for those who are going to quote from the scriptures (the bible, dogmas, etc), what makes such scripture above anything else/worth believing for? Thanks.

Unlike gods such as Thor or Zeus which are known through mythological stories, the God of the biblical scriptures has revealed Himself within a historical context. The recorded interactions of the God of the Bible with humanity involve real people, occur in real places, and through real events.

 

[Ingledsva]

Unlike gods such as Thor or Zeus which are known through mythological stories, the God of the biblical scriptures has revealed Himself within a historical context. The recorded interactions of the God of the Bible with humanity involve real people, occur in real places, and through real events.

They were thought real and historical in their time.

All religions eventually become myth, as will the religions of Abraham.


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[InChrist]

They were taught from the beginning that this God was the correct one. There was no logical argument for why they believed in that particular God..

As they say: Religion obeys borders (culture; upbringing)

So how does this then apply to the millions who were raised in other religions or cultures unfamiliar with Christianity, yet who at a later point after hearing about Jesus Christ have believed and had their lives transformed by Him?

 

[InChrist]

They were thought real and historical in their time.

All religions eventually become myth, as will the religions of Abraham.


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I really have to disagree. There is a huge difference between the historical accounts of the Bible and the mythological stories surrounding Thor or Zeus.
How do I know the Bible is not just mythology?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I have believed in other gods. But Jesus was the only one who made himself known to me.

Same for me, too. I have a habit of flip flopping around, religion-wise, but Jesus is the only one that has truly made a connection with me. I don't get into the "I have the true God" stuff. It's not my place to deny other people's experiences.

 

[Ingledsva]

So how does this then apply to the millions who were raised in other religions or cultures unfamiliar with Christianity, yet who at a later point after hearing about Jesus Christ have believed and had their lives transformed by Him?

That is more recent, with people proselytizing all over the world.

Other religions are also gaining many converts, including Islam, Buddhism, Sikhism has 20 million followers, etc. Even Pagan religions are growing and demanding recognition.

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[Saint Frankenstein]

Sometimes more than just three. Catholics, I believe, pray more often to Mary and various saints than to Jesus or God directly, yet they vehemently deny polytheism.

The Holy Trinity is one God Who manifests Himself in three aspects, to put it one way.

I'm not sure where you're getting that Catholics pray to the Saints more than Jesus, but I can only speak for myself. I hardly ever pray to the Saints, although I admire them. The Saints weren't deities, either. Talking to them is like talking to a friend, a fellow Christian. They just happen to be in Heaven.

 

[Ingledsva]

I really have to disagree. There is a huge difference between the historical accounts of the Bible and the mythological stories surrounding Thor or Zeus.
How do I know the Bible is not just mythology?

Fact of the matter is that there is a lot of myth in there - Adam and Chav'vah, Noah's Ark, talking serpents, talking donkey, lots of magic, including magic wand making, Sodom and Gomorrah, etc. Or a son of a God on a human virgin, where have we heard that one before???

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[InChrist]

That is more recent, with people proselytizing all over the world.

Other religions are also gaining many converts, including Islam, Buddhism, Sikhism has 20 million followers, etc. Even Pagan religions are growing and demanding recognition.

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The point is that when someone of any background hears about Jesus Christ and sincerely considers who He claimed to be it is often times the case that such a person may place their faith in Christ, so such faith is not only based upon one's upbringing.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

All religions eventually become myth, as will the religions of Abraham.

Myth is part of all religions/cultures. Myth is not a byword for "fiction" or "stuff people used to believe but no longer do".

 

[Ingledsva]

Myth is part of all religions/cultures. Myth is not a byword for "fiction" or "stuff people used to believe but no longer do".

He is obviously saying that it is.

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