What or how did everything start?

[ChristineM]

That seems to presume an eternity of time into the past. But that is impossible, just as it is impossible to have an infinite number of universes in the past, just as it is impossible for time in theory B time to have been going around forever into the past.

No its not, its just difficult to believe for people with pre-existing biases

 

[viole]

That seems to presume an eternity of time into the past. But that is impossible, just as it is impossible to have an infinite number of universes in the past, just as it is impossible for time in theory B time to have been going around forever into the past.

It does not presume that at all. How did you come to that conclusion?

Please note that I do not deny BB cosmology, nor that there could be only this Universe.

let me ask you this: what about the dinosaurs? or Napoleon. Do they exist? Or they vanished out of existence?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Spirit of Light]

We don't know is the only correct answer.

Very true

 

[SalixIncendium]

To say the universe was not created is a belief.

Likewise, to say it was is a belief.

 

[Hermit Philosopher]

Can anyone explain to me what or how this universe come to existence, and i do not accept answers like.

It was the big bang...
It just happend.
It has always been there.
It is a string of universes (tell about the first one then)

What triggered the existence of the universe?

Dear Seeker of White Light,

The question in your post is different to the one in its title.

However, the different answers to both questions are in the lists of things that you say you won’t accept as answers.

Put it this way: there is a flaw in our understanding of what a mathematical point of singularity means - or leads to - in physical terms.

On the surface, it may seem wrong to say that the result of a compression of “everything” would automatically be “anything”, but that is only because we are caught up in thinking of it in physical terms and tend to forget - or not be able to grasp - that mathematically speaking, +/-0 is neither “everything” or “nothing”; it is precisely “anything”.

Singularity then, immediately converts into a point of pure, un-actualised potential; not of everything or nothing, but of absolutely anything at all. And anythingness has no beginning, so it never started in anyway, anyhow.

That’s an answer to the question in your title: “everythingness” it is potential and has no beginning.

An answer to the question in your post relates to the previous one, because what does have a beginning (and end) is when potential actualises itself into something.

Anythingness actualises itself into somethingness by the means of Selection > Relation > Interpretation.

What that means will depend on what anythingness is approached as being, but in modern terms perhaps “limiting” and “decoding” are useful word.


Humbly
Hermit

 

[Spirit of Light]

Likewise, to say it was is a belief.

Absolutely belief in God is that. Belief

Belief in a creation without a God is also belief

 

[SalixIncendium]

Can anyone explain to me what or how this universe come to existence, and i do not accept answers like.

It was the big bang...
It just happend.
It has always been there.
It is a string of universes (tell about the first one then)

What triggered the existence of the universe?

The best answer I can give is that it came into existence when I became sentient, and it will be destroyed when I'm no longer sentient.

It may or may not be the correct answer, but it's just as good as anyone else can offer. And it makes the most sense to me based on my experiences.

 

[Spirit of Light]

The best answer I can give is that it came into existence when I became sentient, and it will be destroyed when I'm no longer sentient.

It may or may not be the correct answer, but it's just as good as anyone else can offer. And it makes the most sense to me based on my experiences.

A good answer

 

[RestlessSoul]

Almost perfect. Just ...

The mass of the universe is and always was finite. And to be mathematically correct, the density also isn't infinite but rather undefined. Density is mass/volume and when volume becomes 0, you'd have to divide by 0.
/nitpicking

I meant to type infinite density and zero mass (paradoxical as that sounds).

Corrected now, thanks.

 

[SalixIncendium]

There is proof that the universe was created by intelligence. There is no proof whatsoever that it was not created. The problem is that many people deny the proof of its creation. Everything that exists denotes there is a God.
There are Two Theories:

First, welcome to RF.

This is a discussion forum, not a place to post book links, articles, and videos. If you want to engage me in discussion, then do so. If you want to post videos and articles, that's what blogs and YouTube are for.

Also, please be aware that this thread exists in a non-debate area of the forum. If you wish to debate whether or not the universe was created by intelligence, please create a thread in a debate forum.

 

[Ilyan Kei Lavanway]

First, welcome to RF.

This is a discussion forum, not a place to post book links, articles, and videos. If you want to engage me in discussion, then do so. If you want to post videos and articles, that's what blogs and YouTube are for.

Also, please be aware that this thread exists in a non-debate area of the forum. If you wish to debate whether or not the universe was created by intelligence, please create a thread in a debate forum.

The content of the books and videos are part of the discussion. Not trying to debate. Just entering the discussion with relevant ideas. I respect everyone's right to disagree with me, and I actually expect that no one will agree with me, but some might at least be interested in what I am presenting.

 

[SalixIncendium]

The content of the books and videos are part of the discussion.

Posting links is not discussion if it's not a direct response to another post.

I understand you're excited to share your knowledge, but if you wish to express the ideas therein, please do so in such a way that promotes discussion...by talking about them rather than just posting links.

Posting links without commentary makes it appear that you are here simply to promote your material, which is prohibited on the forum.

 

[Nimos]

Can anyone explain to me what or how this universe come to existence, and i do not accept answers like.

It was the big bang...
It just happend.
It has always been there.
It is a string of universes (tell about the first one then)

What triggered the existence of the universe?

I like that you do not accept certain answers as if someone is trying to hide the truth

The truth is no one knows, but there are a lot of theories about it.

Some suggest that it was created by quantum fluctuations, so when we think about empty space it is not really empty. For instance spontaneous energy appear in the vacuum between atoms, despite that we would normally think that there would be nothing there. The image below were created using supercomputers to show this energy fluctuation of what should be empty space. And the theory as far as I know (Probably got it all wrong ) is that this energy could have given rise to our Universe as this temporary energy occurs it might have been so dense that it spontaneous triggered the big bang.

Maybe these short video helps expand on it or some other explanations.

Again let me stress, that I most likely got my explanation all wrong!!

 

[Brian2]

So, by that logic there has to be a "first moment", right?

There has to be a state of timelessness before time began. So there has to be a first moment in time.

 

[Brian2]

No it's not. It's quite possible.

How? (is it possible for time to have gone back into the infinite past)

 

[Brian2]

To say it was created by a pre existing/ eternal intelligence is also a belief.

Yes. An theist probably believes everything was created except the creator and an atheist believes the universe was not created.

 

[Brian2]

No its not, its just difficult to believe for people with pre-existing biases

I don't need to be biased to see that if time went into the past for infinity, we would not be here yet, or there could not have been an infinity number of universes coming and going into the past. (Stupid maybe, but not biased)

 

[Brian2]

It does not presume that at all. How did you come to that conclusion?

Please note that I do not deny BB cosmology, nor that there could be only this Universe.

let me ask you this: what about the dinosaurs? or Napoleon. Do they exist? Or they vanished out of existence?

Ciao

- viole

I came to the conclusion about time by thinking about it.
To answer the Dinosaur and Napoleon question without theology I would say that they do not exist now,,,,,,,,,that they existed in the past.

 

[Brian2]

Likewise, to say it was is a belief.

True.

 

[Secret Chief]

So, really, the universe doesn't exist.

Cheers, I'll let the tax office know.