What say the scriptures?

[Riders]

Good question, I am not asking to find a scripture that says in the name of the father and of the son and of the Holy Spirit. As there is only one verse that states that states that. But since acts 10:47-48 establishes that baptism in Jesus's name is in water, then any verse that either refers to baptism in water after Jesus's resurrection or baptism in Jesus's name.
For the record, I do believe Romans 6 qualifies as this type of baptism, due to verse 5 stating there's a likeness in baptism to the d,b,r.

So if something is mentioned only once in the bible it must not be truth? WOW!

 

[Riders]

When you say "In Jesus' name", do you mean specifically using that word as opposed to, "In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit"? There are groups that insist that the word "Jesus" must be invoked, in order for it to be valid baptism, and that Trinitarian pronouncements are invalid.

Such as the Apostolic and United Pentecostal churches and worldwide apostolic churches and certain unaffiliated Pentecostal and full Gospel churches who believe the Father Son and Holy Ghost and Trinity was made up by Constantine.

It is Pagan church all Trinity churches are Pagan their oneness Godhead is the one and only God.They also claim to believe in the Jewish God but considering they believe Jesus was the manifestation of God I doubt Jewish folk would agree,

 

[e.r.m.]

Apostolics and the United Pentecostal churches, and some unaffiliated Pentecostal churches Baptize in Jesus name only because the bible says there is power in the name of Jesus.

But if you argue with them that there are scriptures that say to be baptized in the name of the Father Son and Holy Ghost they say well that scripture is pointing to Jesus. What is the name of the Father Son and Holy Ghost its Jesus so there.

Nope! the issue with that definition is that if the Father Son and Holy Ghost points to Jesus what freaking difference does it make? Do you really think God is watching every move we make including the exact right name to be Baptized in and the right scripture to use? I wonder of he checks spelling too? WHOA get back you misspelled baptism your kicked out of heaven!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lol.

 

[e.r.m.]

Such as the Apostolic and United Pentecostal churches and worldwide apostolic churches and certain unaffiliated Pentecostal and full Gospel churches who believe the Father Son and Holy Ghost and Trinity was made up by Constantine.

It is Pagan church all Trinity churches are Pagan their oneness Godhead is the one and only God.They also claim to believe in the Jewish God but considering they believe Jesus was the manifestation of God I doubt Jewish folk would agree,

Since God did create the world and everyone in it, and since God did care for those outside of the lineage of Abraham, as in the account of Jonah with Nineveh, I have a hard time seeing God keeping his covenant to just one group. I believe there was to be some plan ultimately to reconcile all men to himself, or to at least offer them the opportunity.

 

[e.r.m.]

So if something is mentioned only once in the bible it must not be truth? WOW!

I've echoed this sentiment many a time. Thank you.

For the record, I was not discounting baptizing in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. In my church we always baptize that way. I was only saying we can't limit the discussion to only that verse, which is why I opened it up to all verses that say in the name of..., including but not limited to Matthew 28:19.

So what say you? In the New Testament, what is a written purpose for baptism in Jesus's (a.k.a. Father, Son, Holy Spirit's) name?

 

[Riders]

I've echoed this sentiment many a time. Thank you.

For the record, I was not discounting baptizing in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. In my church we always baptize that way. I was only saying we can't limit the discussion to only that verse, which is why I opened it up to all verses that say in the name of..., including but not limited to Matthew 28:19.

So what say you? In the New Testament, what is a written purpose for baptism in Jesus's (a.k.a. Father, Son, Holy Spirit's) name?

I think either way is fine and also in the name of the Lord.

 

[e.r.m.]

I think either way is fine and also in the name of the Lord.

Ok.

 

[wizanda]

What do the written scriptures say is the (or a) purpose of baptism in Jesus's name? Specifically, what do the texts say?

The shortening of the name Yeshua means Salvation (H3444), and the full version means the 'Lord Saves' (Yehoshua - H3091).

Yehoshua ben Yoseph is prophesied in Exodus 23:20-23, that he has the power to forgive sin, as the Lord's spirit, and title is upon him.

The word 'jesus' means a 'grub or beast, that shall tear away'; which is contrasted in Isaiah 51:8, of the Lord's Messiah Yeshua (H3444) Vs 'jesus' the Grub that shall tear away (H5580) - the false Christ (G5580).

When we specifically ask for repentance in the name of Salvation or in the power of the Lord Saves, then we are specifically asking the Source of reality for redemption, so the water becomes blessed to clean iniquity at the same time.

It is easier for the Source to put its holy spirit into water, and us then baptise; than the Source directly wash people, as people are stubborn (Isaiah 12:3 = Zechariah 13:1).

In my opinion.

 

[exchemist]

Thank you for answering my question to the best of your ability. I did not mean my question as a cross examining, just as a clarification. But I will say I do not get the purpose that you are alluding to, sorry.

The verse fairly unambiguously indicates that Christ told the disciples that baptising is part of what they were to do to make other people disciples, the other part being to teach them Christ's commands. Or can you find a way not to see even that much? You do seem to be trying awfully hard not to understand it.

My point was that how baptism is effective in making people disciples, this verse does not say. That seems open to speculation and interpretation. It could be anything from, say, a purely symbolic initiation ceremony to a sacrament, if we go only on this verse. So you can take your pick - unless you or someone can come up with other verses to clarify this question.

Is that fair, or do you have an alternative explanation to offer of what this verse says?

 

[Redemptionsong]

Thank you.
Acts 11:15-18 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning. [16] Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost. [17] Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God? [18] When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

Are you saying baptism with the Holy Spirit bestows the Holy Spirit on people? Because the Baptism with the Holy Spirit done by Jesus is not baptism in Jesus's name done in water Acts 10:47-48.

I think we can overcomplicate things, without need.

As I see it, the bigger picture is one of sin and redemption. Only God can redeem sinful man. He does so in the manner of His coming to earth, paying the price for sin, and then drawing the faithful back through the Holy Spirit bestowed by the Father and Son. This is the classic 'trinity' - God above, amongst and finally within. Only with the Holy Spirit within can one be redeemed; the purpose of redemption being the Oneness of God.

John's baptism is with water, and is unto repentance. He prepares the way for the coming Lamb. People are told they must turn away from self-dependence, to the Way of God. Water is a physical composition that can wash our bodies, but only the Holy Spirit can cleanse our souls. Water baptism is always going to be an outward sign to others of an inner intention. God reads this inner intention, the heart, and bestows HIs Holy Spirit where he finds a humble and contrite heart fit for purpose.

I understand water baptism to be no more than a show of intention. Through it, a person demonstrates a whole-hearted trust in Christ and a desire to be His follower. Christ's response to this trust is to bestow the Holy Spirit. The walk of the believer thereafter is to be ever ready to follow the leading of the Holy Spirit in obedience. Obedience to the Holy Spirit is obedience to Christ, which in turn is obedience to the Father.

 

[roberto]

Mat 3:14 But Yochanan would have hindered him, saying, “I need to be immersed by you, and you come to me?”
Mat 3:15 But Yeshua, answering, said to him, “Allow it now, for this is the fitting way for us to fulfill all righteousness.” Then he allowed him.

Why did the Messiah say.......:“Allow it now, for this is the fitting way for us to fulfill all righteousness.”

 

[Redemptionsong]

Mat 3:14 But Yochanan would have hindered him, saying, “I need to be immersed by you, and you come to me?”
Mat 3:15 But Yeshua, answering, said to him, “Allow it now, for this is the fitting way for us to fulfill all righteousness.” Then he allowed him.

Why did the Messiah say.......:“Allow it now, for this is the fitting way for us to fulfill all righteousness.”

Is this question directed at e.r.m?

 

[e.r.m.]

The shortening of the name Yeshua means Salvation (H3444), and the full version means the 'Lord Saves' (Yehoshua - H3091).

Yehoshua ben Yoseph is prophesied in Exodus 23:20-23, that he has the power to forgive sin, as the Lord's spirit, and title is upon him.

The word 'jesus' means a 'grub or beast, that shall tear away'; which is contrasted in Isaiah 51:8, of the Lord's Messiah Yeshua (H3444) Vs 'jesus' the Grub that shall tear away (H5580) - the false Christ (G5580).

When we specifically ask for repentance in the name of Salvation or in the power of the Lord Saves, then we are specifically asking the Source of reality for redemption, so the water becomes blessed to clean iniquity at the same time.

It is easier for the Source to put its holy spirit into water, and us then baptise; than the Source directly wash people, as people are stubborn (Isaiah 12:3 = Zechariah 13:1).

In my opinion.

Thank you for the etymology. I never would have thought of Old Testament scriptures. You make a compelling case. But I will not include Isaiah 12:3 and Zechariah 13:1 for the same reason I did not include John 3:5, because I'm looking for verses that explicitly mention baptism. It makes it hard if someone may choose to debate if that really means baptism, so to keep it simple. But thank you for sharing.

 

[e.r.m.]

Mat 3:14 But Yochanan would have hindered him, saying, “I need to be immersed by you, and you come to me?”
Mat 3:15 But Yeshua, answering, said to him, “Allow it now, for this is the fitting way for us to fulfill all righteousness.” Then he allowed him.

Why did the Messiah say.......:“Allow it now, for this is the fitting way for us to fulfill all righteousness.”

This isn't baptism in Jesus's name. Jesus commanded baptism in his name after he was resurrected.

 

[whirlingmerc]

If by root you mean that God's gracious nature is the fountain from from which all else flows, I agree. If by root you mean saved and fruit you mean after saved then that's another matter. How do you answer the Op?

I would say water baptism is part of the fruit not the root

Not the least of reasons is that John the Baptist and apostles said 'to bring forth fruit in keeping with repentance and Simon the magician in acts tho baptized did not appear regenerate trying to buy the apostles 'power' for money

 

[whirlingmerc]

This isn't baptism in Jesus's name. Jesus commanded baptism in his name after he was resurrected.

Jesus identified with sinners at his baptism
Sinners identify with Jesus at their baptism

so... yes and no... it is relevant

 

[whirlingmerc]

Apostolics and the United Pentecostal churches, and some unaffiliated Pentecostal churches Baptize in Jesus name only because the bible says there is power in the name of Jesus.

But if you argue with them that there are scriptures that say to be baptized in the name of the Father Son and Holy Ghost they say well that scripture is pointing to Jesus. What is the name of the Father Son and Holy Ghost its Jesus so there.

Nope! the issue with that definition is that if the Father Son and Holy Ghost points to Jesus what freaking difference does it make? Do you really think God is watching every move we make including the exact right name to be Baptized in and the right scripture to use? I wonder of he checks spelling too? WHOA get back you misspelled baptism your kicked out of heaven!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And orthodox baptize babies by immersion 3 times for Father Son and Spirit !! and I respect their conscience on that.

There is a singular name in the great commission, the name (singular not plural) of the Father Son and Spirit which is consistent with a Trinity. Oneness pentecostals see God as 1 person not three and I do not see eye to eye on that.

Another issue is baptism is INTO Christ which the work of God the baptism of the Holy Spirit would do. An outward sign can signify that for some or be an empty sign for others.

 

[e.r.m.]

I think we can overcomplicate things, without need.

As I see it, the bigger picture is one of sin and redemption. Only God can redeem sinful man. He does so in the manner of His coming to earth, paying the price for sin, and then drawing the faithful back through the Holy Spirit bestowed by the Father and Son. This is the classic 'trinity' - God above, amongst and finally within. Only with the Holy Spirit within can one be redeemed; for the purpose of redemption is the Oneness of God.

John's baptism is with water, and is unto repentance. He prepares the way for the coming Lamb. People are told they must turn away from self-dependence, to the Way of God. Water is a physical composition that can wash our bodies, but only the Holy Spirit can cleanse our souls. Water baptism is always going to be an outward sign to others of an inner intention. God reads this inner intention, the heart, and bestows HIs Holy Spirit where he finds a humble and contrite heart fit for purpose.

I understand water baptism to be no more than a show of outward intention. Through it, a person demonstrates a whole-hearted trust in Christ and a desire to be His follower. Christ's response to this trust is to bestow the Holy Spirit. The walk of the believer thereafter is to be ever ready to follow the leading of the Holy Spirit in obedience. Obedience to the Holy Spirit is obedience to Christ, which in turn is obedience to the Father.

Ok, then where is the verse that refers to the purpose of baptism in Jesus's name (not John's baptism) as an outward sign to "others" of an inner intention and/or a show of outward intention? Just show a verse that says this and we can put it on the list of purposes for baptism in Jesus's name written in scripture. That's simple right?

 

[roberto]

This isn't baptism in Jesus's name. Jesus commanded baptism in his name after he was resurrected.

You want to tell me that the Messiah was not baptized? See the Jerusalem Post here....>>>
Holy Hebrew Arithmetic: What Age was Jesus when he became Teacher-Priest?

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[roberto]

Is this question directed at e.r.m?

Any one/person.