What should the West do Now about Islamic Terrorism?

[Godobeyer]

Rick has a point too. Facists/dictators have caused incredible worldwide damage, far worse than what is going on now, when left alone in the past. Look at Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union. Sometimes we have to act.

Not true.

Iraq , and Libya was better under what you called dictatoric regime.

You can't apply your democraty (regime) on middle east regime.

I do believe that West leaders intentionally support terrorists and voilence and civil war there.

 

[oldbadger]

Yesterday, in Norfolk, England, two Mid-Eastern men tried to abduct a Brit Airman who was out jogging near the base. They tried to bundle him into a car, brandishing knives. He fought them off and ran.

In Wiltshire, England, security around a large military base has increased after some incident occured during the last 24 hours.

Incidents are seeming to escalate and accelerate around Europe.

It has been (mostly) all our fault that this situation has been able to happen, and although we can't change the past, we must take some responsibility because we KEEP making mistakes, and then saying 'No good looking backwards'!
Suppose a criminal in prison said to us, 'that's all in the past, I need to forget my past actions so that I can move forward'!!! What would we tell that convict?

 

[LuisDantas]

The West is just paying what their politic leader done in Syria and Iraq and Libya.

since 2011 ,For 6 years your politics leaders supporting terrorists in Syria and Libya by guns and weapons ,they fooled you , by supporting rebels,revolution, blah blah ...etc

Stop supporting terrorists in Syria,which they called "rebels" .

I wish I knew what to make of this.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

You can't apply your democraty (regime) on middle east regime.

Yes, that's probably true. But ISIS are a bunch of fascist religious nutters who want to impose their horrible ideology on the rest of the world, and I don't think they're going to stop just because the west stops bombing them or whatever. Yes, the west has a lot to answer for in the Middle East, but that is history. It's like saying the Nazis came into power because Germany got shafted after the First World War, yeah, partly, but so what, they were bent on world domination too, and look what happened. Such people interpret attempts to negotiate as a sign of weakness, there is no room for compromise.

The other problem is a large Muslim population in Europe, some of whom haven't integrated well into western culture, so there is a lot of alienation, people vulnerable to radicalisation.

 

[Revoltingest]

I'm of the opinion that much of the militant Islamism and terrorism is in reaction to Western exploitation and nation-building, enforced by militarism.
We've been trying to counter this with more of the same militarism that originally created the problem. The result, predictably, has been even more radicalism.
I think it's time we addressed the causes, rather than he effects.

I agree with your utterly bonkers & to-be-ignored assessment.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Yesterday, in Norfolk, England, two Mid-Eastern men tried to abduct a Brit Airman who was out jogging near the base. They tried to bundle him into a car, brandishing knives. He fought them off and ran.
In Wiltshire, England, security around a large military base has increased after some incident occured during the last 24 hours.

I'm surprised we haven't had anything more serious in the UK for a while.

 

[Valjean]

Didn't work too well with that other bunch of fascists, the Nazis.

An entirely different situation, Rick. The mujahideen and AlQaeda's whole raison d'etre was to counter the militant adventurism of the West. Remove the adventurers and you remove their reason to exist.

Though I agree, we also have to assure the Muslim world that we are not out to exterminate Islam.

The strongest assurance would be withdrawal from the field.

However, the reality is that Islam is not compatible with most other forms of government and is extremely intolerant of anything even approaching criticism due to the entrenched belief that Islam is the One True Religion and that all other systems of belief are man-made and therefore flawed. It's difficult to have a meaningful conversation beyond that point.

Good point, but the same may be said of Christianity and Judaism. These have found a way to cherry pick the scriptural law compatible with modern culture and discreetly ignore the rest.
Islam was doing the same thing fifty years ago. It was rapidly secularizing. Western adventurism put that into reverse.

We go around the world trying to impose Western culture at the point of a gun. Why?
We don't need to impose it. If they see it's a good thing they'll outright steal it.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

If you want the stings to stop, quit swatting the hornets' nest.

While that is true, we also have a pack of rabid dogs who are in our own yards that must be dealt with. It's not likely that improving international relationships and being a more responsible global citizen will address the attacks we are having now.

We could always mock them?

If you don't want to give into the fear mongering and sign away you liberties based on the illusion of security, here is some offensive western humour to savour free speech and wait out the hysteria. Enjoy

According to this one Gabriel Iglasias special, Jeff Dunham is very popular "over there," and they love Achmed. But, then again, how you can you not bust out laughing over him having a "premature detonation?" LMAO!!

 

[David1967]

This is it!
the interventions was the problem.

ah ,West supported (rebels) terrorists to remove dictator, or not friendly regime (to West) !

I prefer to live under dictatoric regime than voilence and terrorism.

This seems to be the problem. We remove or help remove a somewhat secular leader in the middle east, such as Iraq, and they are replaced with radical terrorist groups. Afghanistan is another good example. We help the mujahadeen against the Russians, after th he Russians are gone they become Taliban. No longer our friends. My thinking is we should just stay out of it altogether.

 

[Godobeyer]

Yes, that's probably true. But ISIS are a bunch of fascist religious nutters who want to impose their horrible ideology on the rest of the world, and I don't think they're going to stop just because the west stops bombing them. It's like saying the Nazis came into power because Germany got shafted after the First World War, yeah, partly, but so what, they were bent on world domination too, and look what happened.

I Know it's wahabi , the West could force or at least call the kings of oil regime to not being radical.
I believe West had some control on them, they are just followers regimes.

Now it's very complicated , it's become like civil wars and terrorism.

All world fought Nazi , including Muslims , I do believe West and all world should fight ISIS with us, because we the Muslimswere/are the first level of defense , we fought and fighting them.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

An entirely different situation, Rick. The mujahideen and AlQaeda's whole raison d'etre was to counter the militant adventurism of the West. Remove the adventurers and you remove their reason to exist.

Again that's history, and weren't the mujahideen supported by the US to fight the Soviets?

Anyway, the "adventurers" aren't there any more as far as I know, apart from airstrikes by western powers.

Do you really think ISIS would stop trying to conquer and spread their sphere of influence if we stopped the airstrikes? I'm not convinced about that.

 

[YmirGF]

Rick has a point too. Facists/dictators have caused incredible worldwide damage, far worse than what is going on now, when left alone in the past. Look at Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union. Sometimes we have to act.

Likewise, how do we judge who to support? In the Muslim world, by supporting any one group, you will automatically generate a huge amount of anger from the other groups involved, and this is especially true if who we support look on "the west" favorably.

 

[Valjean]

While that is true, we also have a pack of rabid dogs who are in our own yards that must be dealt with.

I see no pack of rabid dogs. I see an occasional mosquito.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

I do believe West and all world should fight ISIS with us, because we the Muslimswere/are the first level of defense , we fought and fighting them.

Isn't that what the west is now trying to do with the airstrikes?

 

[Rick O'Shez]

I see no pack of rabid dogs. I see an occasional mosquito.

I don't think the French would agree with you after the last 18 months.

By the way, I missed one of the London 7/7 tube bombs by 24 hours.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

My thinking is we should just stay out of it altogether.

I agree with you in the sense that westerners will always be viewed as "crusaders".

 

[Godobeyer]

Isn't that what the west is now trying to do with the airstrikes?

still some terrorists consider as rebels to West.

I mean West did not stricke all terrorists.

but how you explain almost one year , and ISIL is still exist and powerful ?

 

[George-ananda]

An effective way of dealing with bullies and unreasonable madmen is to show them you are crazier than they are. It would be a great tragedy, and likely in violation of numerous international law, but it seems we are in a position of needing to send an army with a leader who can instill a very deep sense of fear into them, and make them too afraid to even think about attacking us again, much like how Vlad III terrorized Mehmed II and the Ottoman Turks out of Romania (and ISIS is certainly not even close to being able to be compared to Mehmed the Conquer).

The problem with this is that it is not the masses of the Islamic world committing these random attacks. Any plan like yours would inflame the radical elements.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

but how you explain almost one year , and ISIL is still exist and powerful ?

Probably lots of reasons. What do you suggest to eradicate this scourge?

 

[George-ananda]

Why West care about others regime ?

Perhaps because we are humanitarians? And people petition the western powers for relief. Should America have not been concerned with European affairs in 1941?