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What side of the Fence are you on? Should we build a Wall instead of a Fence?

Father

Devourer of Truth
Conservative?(Right) Liberal?(Left)

Communist/Authoritarian?(Alt-Left) Fascist/Authoritarian?(Alt-Right)

Centrist(Middle) Both suck(Middle) No comment(Middle)

What is your most Controversial View
And if you could fix one thing about this Country what would it be?

personally, i think we should bring back Arena combat and force our presidential and senatorial candidates to fight in Hunger game's like combat to the death until one survives. it will be funny because they are all Old.

As for my Political leaning, every Test I take say's im Liberal. but I find I hate everyone so maybe I am a Centrist?

It's like some day's im. cant we all just get along? other day's im like, burn everything down and build a regime.

Anyway, what side are you?
 

ADigitalArtist

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Staff member
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Left on most social issues, centrist on a few. Mixed economy with some command, some free market. Would prefer a parliamentary system. Anti-authorotarianism.
 

Laika

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Premium Member
What is your most Controversial View

I've been a very long-term communist supporter and sympathiser (until very recently). I have a very strong and persistent suspicion that without major social change we may have to adopt a totalitarian system of government to preserve (what would be left of) civilisation. Our powers of destruction are so great that a set of apocalyptic fears are superficially rational expectation of the future. We risk destroying ourselves in this century unless we make an effort to take responsibility for that power. The evidence is very weak that we will avoid this so I have this lingering and creeping fear that follows me around.

However, this is at least partly a product of my own mental illness (depression) and you can only populate your imagination with so many nightmares before your dealing with your own personal hell. Its taken a lot of time however to appreciate how much of my own views have relied on media hype and sensationalism, and that there are much greater uncertainty and complexity to the issues than it may first appear. I could easily be wrong but you have to keep trying in order to get it right. I live with what you could call a "determined optimism" and I will keep looking for answers, but need to take much better care of myself. I want to be useful and be part of the solution, but it isn't obvious what that is at this point.

And if you could fix one thing about this Country what would it be?

A Massive shift to Renewable energy and ending oil dependence of the economy. This has multiple implications such as dealing with climate change, the threat of peak oil and oil depletion and getting us out of the spiral of conflicts over oil (particularly in the middle east). In the very long term our dependence on oil for fertilisers in agriculture means that a threat to the oil supply could well have consequences for agricultural productivity and therefore whether the world's population is sustainable. finding an alternative now is better than having to do it suddenly when the dislocation of rapid change could be problematic in its own right even if it was successful.

We can still screw up even if we did this, but it would greatly reduce the amount of uncertainty and make the future potential for crisis more manageable. It would still be "bad" but it wouldn't produce quite such a horrific downward spiral of war and famine on an increasingly hostile planet and warming climate.

(I'm a Brit, but as this is probably referring to the US, I'd say it applies to both- especially the USA).
 

proudpagan

Member
I've been a very long-term communist supporter and sympathiser (until very recently).

I will show you how communism captures
How it appeals and lies to people


1. War. By this I make reference to how the commies plunge a nation into war via a coup and or something similar like this, have its men women and children killed, make its population starve then make the false promise of “peace, land and bread.” This is why the Communist Ideology appealed to so many during and after WWI.
2. The Promise of Equality. The commies will continue to shout and scream all will be equal. This appeals especially to the masses of have been made poor beforehand, by methods such as war they make the population as poor as possible, and then they tell them they will make them all equal. But this equality is a lie as some people such as the commies in charge are a little more equal than others. Also, this equality is a very low standard, this equality means that all the non elites will be earning as much as each other, which could be just £1 or it could be £1000 (in communism this will be very low). This poverty through equality has a deeper meaning that we will be going on to soon.
3. The Fake Promise of Socialism. The commies shall promise and repeat that he will give socialism, and implements it to a certain extent. they will give the vision of an ideal socialist society where everyone is working together for their national interest, but in reality, they will give them what they got in the USSR, no one is working for their national or socialist interest but rather to keep their commies Leaders happy
As Lenin said “Socialism is just a transitionary stage towards Communism.”

Subversion through psychological warfare

Subversion refers to an attempt to transform the established social order and its structures of power, authority, and hierarchy. Furthermore, it is a process by which the values and principles of a system in place, are contradicted or reversed.
See Yuri Bezmenov’s lectures for these videos. One can find them on YouTube and they are very important. Much of the below is sourced from his videos

One must know that psychological warfare is as powerful as physical warfare which is why, according to Yuri Bezmenov the USSR put so much money and effort into the training of K.G.B officers in the field of subversion.

This subversion is done through the media

The first stage of subversion is called demoralisation. This takes between 15 and 20 years. This is the minimum number of years which requires to educate one generation of students in the country of your enemy exposed to the ideology of the enemy. In other words Marxist-Leninism ideology is being pumped into the soft heads of at least three generations.

It includes infiltration, propagation. Various areas where public opinion is formulated such as religion, law enforcements (military and police) social life, power structure, education system and labour-employer relations is targeted in demoralisation.

Family – The commies will also work to discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce and they will emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents as well as attributing prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

Education – Distracting them from learning something useful, efficient and destructive towards the Jew and teach them pointless subjects like natural foods, in other words this is the retardation of people – a tactic found in the protocols of Zion

Social Life
Take away the initiatives from people, take away the responsibility from naturally established links between individuals, groups of individuals and societies at large and replace them with artificial bureaucratically controlled bodies.
Instead of traditional social lives between friends and neighbours, establish social workers institutions where people who are on payroll from the government.
The main concern of society becomes not your people, you family or your friends but to get your pay check

Power Structure – The natural bodies of administration which are traditionally elected by the people at large or appointed by elected leaders of society are being actively substituted by bodies of commie puppets whom nobody elected and many of the people hate them, like Trump. The power structure of a nation is eventually eroded by the commies and it is replaced by puppets who have neither the qualifications nor the will of the people to keep them in power.

Law and Order
– These are targeted, and made to look angry psychotic and the criminals are made look cool, and it is made seem its not their faults that they are criminals but rather it is societies and the Protectors are made mistrusted and are generalised as pigs by the enemy.

Economy – The classical Marxist theory, natural exchange; a person (a) has 5 sacks of grain and person (b) has 5 sacks of shoes, the natural exchange there is bargaining, and a third person (c) is introduced says don’t give him the 5 sacks of grain and give it to me and give me the 5 shoes and I will distribute them accordingly, this is the destruction of natural exchange. Trade unions again are stupid, because the leaders of these unions know that they will always loose, and its at the price of cutting off vital services to citizens. These trade unions are often Jewish run.

Culture, Intelligence and Art – The commies will target these three areas in order to implement retardations. The attack on these areas is called cultural Marxism. What is in quotations is taken directly from the Communist Goals of 1963.

An American Communist cell was told to “eliminate all good sculpture from parks and
Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art.”
Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them “censorship” and a violation of free speech and free press.
Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.
Present degeneracy, retardation and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.”

they will Marxist propaganda that everyone is equal and the Marxist class struggle in trade unions, student organisations and political societies.

Destabilization, the destabilization of institutions and organisations and power structure will take place soon after. The liberals will cause some sort of conflict like the black and white conflict in America today in order to cause this. Artificial organisations that spring out of nowhere and are entirely illegitimate will spew out vile propaganda and lies and push for said conflict. An example of this is the Black Lives Matter.(Not being racist)

As Bezmenov put it: For example, your Leftists in the United States, all these professors and all these beautiful civil rights defender, they are instrumental in the process of subversion, only to destabilize the nation.

He went on to say: The next stage is destabilization. This time, the subverter does not care about your ideas, the patterns of your consumption, whether you eat junk food and get fat and flabby. It doesn’t matter anymore. This time, and it only takes from two to five years to destabilize a nation, what matters is essentials, economy, foreign relations, defense systems. And you can see it quite clearly in sensitive areas as defense and economy. The Marxist-Leninist ideas in the United States is absolutely fantastic.

Then follows the next stage – Crisis. This is the creation of economic, financial, and national security crisis. Also includes social crisis and breakdown of previous self-evident restrictions on moral behavior. The crisis produces benevolent leaders who will promise to deliver “things” (Hope and Change) to meet people’s needs through Social and Economic Justice. False illusions that the situation is under control if certain strategic directions are followed (Bailouts, Stimulus, Jobs Bills, Regulations of industry, Unconstitutional Power Grabs, Dismissal of Historical Laws, Changes in legislative processes, Changes in checks and balances of power etc).

Normalization – The uncomfortable feelings of change including losses of freedom are absorbed and accepted. Lost national identity becomes accepted as the norm within the new societal model. A period of national rebranding transition where people are so overwhelmed by the change they become numb and begin to accept a ‘new normal’. This period of normalization lasts indefinitely as the progression is continually advanced and acceptance takes place in small controlled doses. (New limits on behavior, Regulations, TSA Patdowns, Intrusions into privacy, Controls into daily life) These things begin to be accepted as “just the way it is now”.

Commies are ******* offsprings of karl marx
 

Laika

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I will show you how communism captures
How it appeals and lies to people

You're a National Socialist. I was a Communist sympathiser and am past caring and want nothing to do with communism anymore. how about we don't waste each others time and just call it even?

Poland will be much safer that way.:shrug:
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
I used to consider myself hard-right, but now the rest of the right have apparently collectively lost their minds and gone full authoritarian, I find myself identifying as a moderate, and my erstwhile right-wing allies accuse me of being a liberal, because I believe in silly liberal stuff like evidence based practise, critical thinking, issues motivated political dialogue and calling out hypocrisy, even when it's on my own "side".
 

Laika

Well-Known Member
Premium Member

Purely from knowing the experience of how isolating it can be to have those kind of opinions and how difficult it can be to open up when people constantly give you a knee-jerk response, you're welcome to PM me if you need a chat or someone to talk to. :)
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
You're a National Socialst. I was a Communist sympathiser and am past caring and want nothing to do with communism anymore. how about we don't waste each others time and just call it even?

Poland will be much safer that way.:shrug:
I keep my copy of Mein Kampf next to my copy of The Communist Manifesto on the book shelf. I like to imagine they both hate it.
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Laika

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I keep my copy of Mein Kampf next to my copy of The Communist Manifesto on the book shelf. I like to imagine they both hate it.

I had to check as its in a special cupboard (so my parents can't see). my copy of mein kamphf is next to Marquis De Sades "Philosophy in the bedroom".

My mum would freak out if she knew I had a copy of mein kampf. My dad guessed after asking what my new book was ("Another Marxist tract I presume?") and I politely refused to say. As my bedroom is buried under a mountain of books about or by Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot that they try their best to ignore and not to burn, it was sort of a give away because there are so few political taboos I haven't broken in conversation. my dad and I talked about it later and it was perfectly ok. He couldn't seriously entertain the idea that there was any danger I would be "influenced" by it given everything else I read.

They still don't know about De Sade though. It makes Hitler look respectable. We have a large garden, but I think they could find a space to bury my dismembered corpse if they ever knew I had that. :D
 

Kapalika

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Premium Member
I describe my politics as "sane and based on what's been shown to work and is needed"

Apparently that's in short supply today. Most would describe me as liberal, although I feel very strongly about some outlaying issues (such as gun rights).
 

Kapalika

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Premium Member
I describe my politics as "sane and based on what's been shown to work and is needed"

Apparently that's in short supply today. Most would describe me as liberal, although I feel very strongly about some outlaying issues (such as gun rights).
 
And if you could fix one thing about this Country what would it be?

Radical decentralisation of power so that most decisions (education, healthcare, taxation, etc) would be made at the local/municipal level.

This reduces the disconnect between the executive and the consequences of their decisions and makes problems more manageable by reducing one massive problem (national education) into hundreds of much smaller problems (local education). Scale makes problems exponentially more difficult to solve, and because more potential solutions could be tested out across localities, you would have a better idea of what works and what doesn't. Poor policy decisions would be much easier to reverse/revise also.

A federal state would still be needed, but only really for defence and aspects of foreign policy.

What is your most Controversial View

Popular electoral democracy should be replaced (or at least significantly supplemented) by sortition, the random selection of qualified citizens to serve as representatives of the people.

This means that officials are truly representative of the people, it reduces the harms of partisan politics, reduces the impact of quid pro quo lobbying and it prevents entrenched power elites from corrupting the system.

Implement these 2 things and the stultifying left/right divide would be much less consequential.
 

Rival

Diex Aie
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Stalinist according to most tests.

Social conservative; socialist economy.
 
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Kuzcotopia

If you can read this, you are as lucky as I am.
Conservative?(Right) Liberal?(Left)

Communist/Authoritarian?(Alt-Left) Fascist/Authoritarian?(Alt-Right)

Centrist(Middle) Both suck(Middle) No comment(Middle)

What is your most Controversial View
And if you could fix one thing about this Country what would it be?

personally, i think we should bring back Arena combat and force our presidential and senatorial candidates to fight in Hunger game's like combat to the death until one survives. it will be funny because they are all Old.

As for my Political leaning, every Test I take say's im Liberal. but I find I hate everyone so maybe I am a Centrist?

It's like some day's im. cant we all just get along? other day's im like, burn everything down and build a regime.

Anyway, what side are you?

On a scale of people-hating misanthropy to people-loving humanitarian. . . I am on the humanitarian side.

It informs my career as a high school teacher, my relationships with family and friends, and my modern liberal political leanings.

People are actually pretty great. Over time I believe that's the more time you spend in isolation, the greater the odds you will sink into misanthropy. The only reason I dally on RF at all is that I'm the only atheist I know in real life. I still enjoy my life outside.

Join a club. Meet people. Listen. It can be pretty amazing.

PS: Did I misunderstand the question? Nah, I think I got it right!
 

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
My favorite response to this question is "A little to the left and slightly out of focus". Meaning, that on most social issues I will swing to the left. I would also support a more fiscally responsible budget which seems to align a bit with the right. And the rest? The definitions are changing daily so I am not always sure. I find that strict political labels are not good enough most of the time to define complex issues.
 
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