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What "the end of days" means to you. Open to Abrahamic faiths.
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You don’t believe me, and that is to be expected. Yet in the not too distant future, you will wish that you had.
I DO believe you and am interested in what you learn with sincerity.
Thirty-seven years ago, the tenth of this month, Jesus told me a time was coming soon when man would suffer more than he has ever suffered.
Jesus told me I would give a word, and leave. Out of that word a community would grow, he wanted a place of safety for his people.
A little over seven years ago Jesus told me who it is that is the End Time Anti-Christ.
No I am not allowed to make that prophesy public at this time.
Also some months ago while reading about a large group of people who were suffering, I started to feel sorry for them.
God scolded me very strongly. He said it was his doing, and I was not to feel badly for them.
Do you believe Lot felt sorry for those condemned in Sodom and Gomorrah?
Popcorn
What is it?
The Bible on my computer is an orthodox Jewish translation, so half of it is in English and half of it is just spelled using English alphabet. Instead of Genesis, it begins with Bereshis, so it's interesting to compare to the King James. I think that all of the "end of days" prophecies ought to conform to the chapter 49, like expounding details, which is how the Revelation concludes.
paarsurrey
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What "the end of days" means to you. Open to Abrahamic faiths
Jesus' Second Coming in the form of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, that is its meaning. Please
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Jesus' Second Coming in the form of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, that is its meaning. Please
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paarsurrey,
End of days is a certain way to explain the last days of this old system of things, just before Jesus returns to earth.
These are the last days, as described by Paul, at 2Timothy 3:-7, Peter , at 2Peter 3:3-7. Jesus mentioned many things that would be happening in the last generation. These things are recorded at Matthew chapters 24,25, Luke chapter 17:20-30, Mark chapter 13, Revelation 19:11-21, 16:13-16, 11:18.
When Jesus comes, in the very near future, one of the things described is at Matthew 25:31-46, where Jesus sits down on his throne, and begins to separate the sheep and the goats. This is one description of Armageddon, where all people will be separated, with the wicked going into everlasting cutting off, 2Thessalonians 1:6-9, to everlasting destruction. This will not be a happy time, either for Jesus or God, but it must be done if this earth is ever to be a paradise, as God promises, Revelation 21:1-5. By the way the Bible explains things, there will be only one religion that will be of the ones to come out of the Great Tribulation, Revelation 7:14. That group, Called Christians, followed THE WAY, Acts 9:2, 19:9,23, 24:14. There has always been ONE religion acceptable to God, and we must all find that one before Jesus comes back to earth.
End of days is a certain way to explain the last days of this old system of things, just before Jesus returns to earth.
These are the last days, as described by Paul, at 2Timothy 3:-7, Peter , at 2Peter 3:3-7. Jesus mentioned many things that would be happening in the last generation. These things are recorded at Matthew chapters 24,25, Luke chapter 17:20-30, Mark chapter 13, Revelation 19:11-21, 16:13-16, 11:18.
When Jesus comes, in the very near future, one of the things described is at Matthew 25:31-46, where Jesus sits down on his throne, and begins to separate the sheep and the goats. This is one description of Armageddon, where all people will be separated, with the wicked going into everlasting cutting off, 2Thessalonians 1:6-9, to everlasting destruction. This will not be a happy time, either for Jesus or God, but it must be done if this earth is ever to be a paradise, as God promises, Revelation 21:1-5. By the way the Bible explains things, there will be only one religion that will be of the ones to come out of the Great Tribulation, Revelation 7:14. That group, Called Christians, followed THE WAY, Acts 9:2, 19:9,23, 24:14. There has always been ONE religion acceptable to God, and we must all find that one before Jesus comes back to earth.
You say Jesus is not back to earth yet. What does it mean that he promises to be WITH His disciples? Matthew 28:20
With. On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they bowed down and worshiped him. Then they opened their treasures and presented him with gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh.
http://biblehub.com/greek/3326.htm
savagewind,
When Jesus said that he would be with his disciples, he meant with them in spirit. There are several times, in the Bible that Jesus is spoken of as being on the right hand of God, Ephesians 1:20, Hebrews 1:3, 12:2.
Just before the unbelieving Jews stoned Stephen to death, he had, what is called, a Beatific Vision, which is a vision of heaven, seeing the throne of God, with Jesus at God's right hand, Acts 7:55,56.
Consider Acts 3:20,21.
When Jesus said that he would be with his disciples, he meant with them in spirit. There are several times, in the Bible that Jesus is spoken of as being on the right hand of God, Ephesians 1:20, Hebrews 1:3, 12:2.
Just before the unbelieving Jews stoned Stephen to death, he had, what is called, a Beatific Vision, which is a vision of heaven, seeing the throne of God, with Jesus at God's right hand, Acts 7:55,56.
Consider Acts 3:20,21.
What is the difference between the person of Jesus and his spirit?
YOU do not believe Jesus comes back to be seen in person. Correct?
You say, "he is with a believer in spirit".
How will he be with us when he comes back?
REVELATION 3:20 Why did the writer not add, "when I come again"?
@12jtartare I think that the spirit of Jesus is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith. mildness and self-control. Am I right?
What else is it, according to you, that is "with" a disciple of Jesus?
Were the fruits of the spirit NOT with a person before believing in Jesus? Are they NOT with non-believers?
How is the spirit of Jesus Christ with the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses?
What else is it, according to you, that is "with" a disciple of Jesus?
Were the fruits of the spirit NOT with a person before believing in Jesus? Are they NOT with non-believers?
How is the spirit of Jesus Christ with the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses?
I am going to try one more time. Please listen. @12jtartar
According to the Jehovah's Witnesses, Jesus is not really "with" his disciples like he promised but he is "with" a disciple in spirit.
It sounds like spiritistic practice to me. But the JWs teach it is a sin to communicate with spirits.
Does any JWs KNOW how Jesus is "with" the governing body and the congregation to lead them?
How much more is he going to be WITH us when he comes again?
I am asking you to go a mile with me here. WHO is your leader to obey?
Matthew 5:41
@12jtartar YOU say if a person isn't being led by Jesus he is in danger of being destroyed forever.
But you say Jesus isn't literally with a person so a JW has to be led by the GB. You seem to be unable to say why we should trust them except by quoting Matthew 24:45-47
And you say that the only way a person can be led right is to obey what is written.
1 Peter 3:15
I think if you are here you should defend your stance irrevocably in obedience to 1 Peter 3:15 and Matthew 5:41.
You should have read by now that Matthew 24:45-47 can be positively true but NOT mean what your organization says it means.
If we are wrong, according to the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses, we die but if they are wrong they do not die.
Please explain that discrepancy.
According to the Jehovah's Witnesses, Jesus is not really "with" his disciples like he promised but he is "with" a disciple in spirit.
It sounds like spiritistic practice to me. But the JWs teach it is a sin to communicate with spirits.
Does any JWs KNOW how Jesus is "with" the governing body and the congregation to lead them?
How much more is he going to be WITH us when he comes again?
I am asking you to go a mile with me here. WHO is your leader to obey?
Matthew 5:41
@12jtartar YOU say if a person isn't being led by Jesus he is in danger of being destroyed forever.
But you say Jesus isn't literally with a person so a JW has to be led by the GB. You seem to be unable to say why we should trust them except by quoting Matthew 24:45-47
And you say that the only way a person can be led right is to obey what is written.
1 Peter 3:15
I think if you are here you should defend your stance irrevocably in obedience to 1 Peter 3:15 and Matthew 5:41.
You should have read by now that Matthew 24:45-47 can be positively true but NOT mean what your organization says it means.
If we are wrong, according to the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses, we die but if they are wrong they do not die.
Please explain that discrepancy.
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End of Days means that there is no one left to obey The Lord to be led by God for righteousness' sake.
Genesis 18:16-33
Genesis 18:16-33
A hypocrite is someone who demands obedience to orders that they themselves do not and will not obey.
When there are only hypocrites on the Earth, then the end will come. I think that it will be very, very soon. Amen.
When there are only hypocrites on the Earth, then the end will come. I think that it will be very, very soon. Amen.
savagewind,
You are not making any sense. How is God with a person?? Through His Holy Spirit!!! The same with Jesus, he is with his people in spirit. You don't really think that he could
actually be with, every person who loves him, do you??
Being with a person,maps God is, means that when you pray to Him, He will help you through the spirit, to make the best choice possible, at that time. Even though Jesus does not hear silent prayer, God would communicate to Jesus, His will.
Consider Hebrews 13:17, which tells Christians to be obedient to the ones taking the lead over you. This means the elders in the congregation.
Of course, this is relative, because we must obey God rather that men, Psalms 146:3,4, Acts 5:29. If their help does not disagree with the Bible, we listen to the elders in the congregation.
In the first century, there was a governing body, presided over by Jesus half brother, James. Any important disagreements could be taken to them for clarification, just as they did about the circumcision disagreement, Acts 15:1-29. Also there was an argument about the Gentiles being baptized by Peter, Acts 11:1-18.
I understand that you are an apostate, but you make a very bad mistake in trying to stumble others, Matthew 18:6,7, 1Thessalonians 2:13-16, 2Peter 3:15-18.
You will never be able to turn away anyone who has a good knowledge of the Holy Scriptures, Proverbs 11:9.
You are not making any sense. How is God with a person?? Through His Holy Spirit!!! The same with Jesus, he is with his people in spirit. You don't really think that he could
actually be with, every person who loves him, do you??
Being with a person,maps God is, means that when you pray to Him, He will help you through the spirit, to make the best choice possible, at that time. Even though Jesus does not hear silent prayer, God would communicate to Jesus, His will.
Consider Hebrews 13:17, which tells Christians to be obedient to the ones taking the lead over you. This means the elders in the congregation.
Of course, this is relative, because we must obey God rather that men, Psalms 146:3,4, Acts 5:29. If their help does not disagree with the Bible, we listen to the elders in the congregation.
In the first century, there was a governing body, presided over by Jesus half brother, James. Any important disagreements could be taken to them for clarification, just as they did about the circumcision disagreement, Acts 15:1-29. Also there was an argument about the Gentiles being baptized by Peter, Acts 11:1-18.
I understand that you are an apostate, but you make a very bad mistake in trying to stumble others, Matthew 18:6,7, 1Thessalonians 2:13-16, 2Peter 3:15-18.
You will never be able to turn away anyone who has a good knowledge of the Holy Scriptures, Proverbs 11:9.
savagewind,
When Jesus comes to the earth again, Hebrews 1:6, he will be invisible to all humans, because he is a spirit creature, unable to be seen by human eyes, 1Peter 3:18, 2Corinthians 5:16, 1Corinthians 15:44,45, 50.
Just because Jesus is a spirit does not mean that we will not see many powerful signs happening on earth, so that all humans will be aware that Jesus has come back.
The ones who are The Chosen Ones, Spirit Anointed and sealed with Holy Spirit, will be resurrected as spirit creatures, as Jesus comes down, Matthew 24:29-31. These ones are the ones that will be co- rulers, with Jesus, in heaven, Romans 8:17, 2Corinthians 1:19-22, Revelation 5:9,10, 7:3,4, 14:1-5, 20:4-6.
The Bible is very easy to understand if your heart is right, it is very logical, but NO wicked can understand God's message, Isaiah 26:10, Daniel 12:10, Matthew 13:13-15, Matthew 18:2,3, Luke 10:21, Mark 7:20-23. Not many wise and intellectual ones are called, 1Corinthians 1:22-30.
When Jesus comes to the earth again, Hebrews 1:6, he will be invisible to all humans, because he is a spirit creature, unable to be seen by human eyes, 1Peter 3:18, 2Corinthians 5:16, 1Corinthians 15:44,45, 50.
Just because Jesus is a spirit does not mean that we will not see many powerful signs happening on earth, so that all humans will be aware that Jesus has come back.
The ones who are The Chosen Ones, Spirit Anointed and sealed with Holy Spirit, will be resurrected as spirit creatures, as Jesus comes down, Matthew 24:29-31. These ones are the ones that will be co- rulers, with Jesus, in heaven, Romans 8:17, 2Corinthians 1:19-22, Revelation 5:9,10, 7:3,4, 14:1-5, 20:4-6.
The Bible is very easy to understand if your heart is right, it is very logical, but NO wicked can understand God's message, Isaiah 26:10, Daniel 12:10, Matthew 13:13-15, Matthew 18:2,3, Luke 10:21, Mark 7:20-23. Not many wise and intellectual ones are called, 1Corinthians 1:22-30.
Please see the irony.
Mark 10:18
Proverbs 20:6
Matthew 6:1
I am not making sense. I say Jesus can be present with a person. You say he can't be.
You say it is The Holy Spirit that is present with a person. I can't disagree with that.
You as a Jehovah's Witness say that Jesus never comes again to be seen in the flesh but he does come again. HOW? When he comes again, according to the Jehovah's Witnesses, how will he be? He won't be physical. He will be (fill in the blank).
@12jtartar According to the Jehovah's Witnesses, it seems the writer of Matthew 28:20 should not have written that Jesus will be WITH a person but that he will be FOR a person.
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Ha Ha Ha. No it doesn't and I've told you many times the word is not obedient. There is just ONE to obey. Agree?
The word obey is not there at Hebrews 13:17. Can God's spirit protect you while you look it up OUTSIDE the governing body dogma?
peithó: to persuade, to have confidence
Original Word: πείθω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: peithó
Phonetic Spelling: (pi'-tho)
Short Definition: I persuade, urge
Definition: I persuade, urge.
HELPS Word-studies
http://biblehub.com/greek/3982.htm
It means to make the job of those taking the lead easier. In case they are wrong about anything (they have been wrong) and you have obeyed them you have made their job much HARDER because by your obeying a lie you have put them in trouble. In grave danger they are. James 3:1
Psalms 2:4
URGE
- advise
- advocate
- appeal to
- ask
- commend
- compel
- endorse
- exhort
- favor
- force
- implore
- press
- promote
- prompt
- propose
- push
- recommend
- request
- support
- adjure
- advance
- attract
- beseech
- champion
- charge
- conjure
- counsel
- countenance
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