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What to make of reality

idav

Being
Premium Member
As science shows we can't really see reality. It isn't even material the way people think of the material. If we could actually see things we would see mostly empty space in beings and sort of ethereal bodies moving through space. This is what makes me think of everything as energies struggling against each other, changing forms and what not. What do you make of reality, what is it made of.
 

Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
Staff member
Premium Member
As science shows we can't really see reality. It isn't even material the way people think of the material. If we could actually see things we would see mostly empty space in beings and sort of ethereal bodies moving through space. This is what makes me think of everything as energies struggling against each other, changing forms and what not. What do you make of reality, what is it made of.

It is one of those deep profound questions that takes us to the edge of our known universe and the limits of our finite minds. I think we would agree that science provides answers to this question but I would argue religion concerns itself with ultimate reality too, though approaching the essential nature of the universe from a different perspective.
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
Consciousness is an attribute not a thing.
Consciousness is living dynamic code; it is the fabric of the Matrix....We're inside a computer system; where all of it is conscious at a binary level.

Thus our consciousness can interact with matter, shape it by thought alone; as matter is just consciousness at a dense vibratory level. :innocent:
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
Consciousness is living dynamic code; it is the fabric of the Matrix....We're inside a computer system; where all of it is conscious at a binary level.

Thus our consciousness can interact with matter, shape it by thought alone; as matter is just consciousness at a dense vibratory level. :innocent:
I think the consciousness in the system is just one of many attributes.
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
It is one of those deep profound questions that takes us to the edge of our known universe and the limits of our finite minds. I think we would agree that science provides answers to this question but I would argue religion concerns itself with ultimate reality too, though approaching the essential nature of the universe from a different perspective.
Philosophy takes as much a stab at it as religion does.
 

Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
As science shows we can't really see reality. It isn't even material the way people think of the material. If we could actually see things we would see mostly empty space in beings and sort of ethereal bodies moving through space. This is what makes me think of everything as energies struggling against each other, changing forms and what not. What do you make of reality, what is it made of.
Our lived reality is our perception of reality. As our perception of reality changes, so does what is reality itself to us. It's all reality. If you want to know the nature of Reality, as it is, you have to step outside perception itself, but then that itself becomes a perspective on perspectives, making that reality. And on we go into infinite regression trying to find bottom. Reality is turtles all the way down.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
What do you make of reality, what is it made of.
Either 'nothing' or a 'force field' (are the two different?), but people can make whatever they want to out of it.

सतो बन्धुमसति निरविन्दन हृदि प्रतीष्याकवयो मनीषा ll
sato bandhumasati niravindan hṛdi pratīṣyākavayo manīṣā ll

Sages who searched with their heart's thought discovered the existent's kinship in the non-existent.
'Nasadiya Sukta', RigVeda (Rig Veda: Rig-Veda, Book 10: HYMN CXXIX. Creation.)
Reality is turtles all the way down.
At least till now.
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
All knowing, all seeing, omni-present, eternal etc.
Even more confused now; seems your answer is to the question, 'what is the divine'.

A pantheist is where everything is made of the same essence as the divine; which according to many, is that it is in a place of pure consciousness.

Heaven (Oneness) is without form, and is simply consciousness (within my NDE).

Personally more of panentheist, and think the CPU generates the constructs of the conscious reality we see around us.

The CPU is also made from consciousness, yet at such an intense level it is beyond cognitive calculation.

Now it could be possible since not left the Matrix yet; that really everything is just inside a computer, and what we perceive as consciousness is dynamic evolving computer code.

Thus still stumped by your answers, as they seem to go from the opposite direction, that consciousness belongs to something (attribute); rather than consciousness is all that exists. :innocent:
 

allfoak

Alchemist
The substance underlying all things is not knowable.
It is like asking a fish to describe water.
The answer would be: "what is water"? "there is no proof that such a thing even exists", would be the answer.
 

Kemosloby

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Reality is all that can be, regardless of whether it has manifested or not manifested.
 

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
What do you make of reality, what is it made of.
I think the only Ultimate Reality is God/Brahman Consciousness. There is a spark of that God/Brahman in all of us. All the material planes from the subtlest to the grossest are just props in the creative play/drama of God/Brahman. He separates Himself from Himself in Act I and then returns Himself to Himself in Act II. Why? - to experience finite experience. Why? - it's like asking humans why they produce art with no practical purpose.
 

Jonathan Ainsley Bain

Logical Positivist
As science shows we can't really see reality. It isn't even material the way people think of the material. If we could actually see things we would see mostly empty space in beings and sort of ethereal bodies moving through space. This is what makes me think of everything as energies struggling against each other, changing forms and what not. What do you make of reality, what is it made of.

Science reduces everything to math.
Our real world is more like art.

Why should there be different forms at all?
Without the mystical qualitative aspect, math would reduce everything to a simple
number like zero or 1.

Science is like a sieve, it catches the big solid easy things,
and lets slip the most vital and most subtle fluid ideas.
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
Even more confused now; seems your answer is to the question, 'what is the divine'.

A pantheist is where everything is made of the same essence as the divine; which according to many, is that it is in a place of pure consciousness.

Heaven (Oneness) is without form, and is simply consciousness (within my NDE).

Personally more of panentheist, and think the CPU generates the constructs of the conscious reality we see around us.

The CPU is also made from consciousness, yet at such an intense level it is beyond cognitive calculation.

Now it could be possible since not left the Matrix yet; that really everything is just inside a computer, and what we perceive as consciousness is dynamic evolving computer code.

Thus still stumped by your answers, as they seem to go from the opposite direction, that consciousness belongs to something (attribute); rather than consciousness is all that exists. :innocent:
There are things and there are infinite atrributes, let's say from a monistic view. A live person could see, it could hear, along with the millions of other sensory our brain deals with, all those are attributes. These multitude of things are not just one from a physical perspective, they are individual sensory that don't live in a realm of oneness naturally, they have to communicate via something whether it be light, sound, electromagnetic whatever, the oneness would then be an attribute of that multitude of things. You take away those senses one by one and you get an object not communicating with itself.

Similar to the ontology of Spinoza, the oneness that is the beggnnng does not have mind, thought and mind are atteibutes of the infinite modes.
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
Science reduces everything to math.
Our real world is more like art.

Why should there be different forms at all?
Without the mystical qualitative aspect, math would reduce everything to a simple
number like zero or 1.

Science is like a sieve, it catches the big solid easy things,
and lets slip the most vital and most subtle fluid ideas.
Science reduces things to what can can be perceived with various instruments and helps us to pick up on things we could never perceive. That doesn't mean it misses the subtle, science has shown to advance in the minutist of reality.
 
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