What was Jesus doing from when he did that thing when he was 13 until he got killed on the cross?

[Kirran]

Do you remember who wrote that book about it?

I actually don't know any books on the subject well, although I have read references to a number of sources. Can't remember any now.

A quick Google has shown me that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, the founder of the Ahmadiyya movement within Islam, wrote a book entitled 'Jesus in India'. However, in this book he discusses the possibility of Jesus surviving crucifixion and going to Kashmir to teach the Lost Tribes of Israel.

More relevant to our discussion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unknown_years_of_Jesus#Claims_of_Jesus_in_India_before_crucifixion

 

[Jumi]

There was a BBC documentary on Jesus in India, I watched it years ago but don't remember if it was any good

 

[Twilight Hue]

I studied the Bible at my high school and it doesn't say anything about what Jesus did or where he went for like nearly 20 years of his short life. What was he doing? Waiting to die?

The more I contemplate my own religion, the less it makes sense to me. I think we should get rid of religious people or at least just the Christians. Because spreading this lie to so many people and terrifying children with lies is the same as child abuse.

There's an anapocryphal account of Jesus's childhood found in the Book of Thomas.



His behavior comes across as being some kind of Damien the Omen as he kills and blinds at whim in chapter 4 and 5.

Snippet below.......

4.
After that He was again passing through the village; and a boy ran up against Him, and struck His shoulder. And Jesus was angry, and said to him: You shall not go back the way you came. And immediately he fell down dead. And some who saw what had taken place, said: Whence was this child begotten, that every word of his is certainly accomplished? And the parents of the dead boy went away to Joseph, and blamed him, saying: Since you have such a child, it is impossible for you to live with us in the village; or else teach him to bless, and not to curse: for he is killing our children.

5.
And Joseph called the child apart, and admonished Him, saying: Why do you do such things, and these people suffer, and hate us, and persecute us? And Jesus said: I know that these words of yours are not your own; nevertheless for your sake I will be silent; but they shall bear their punishment. And straightway those that accused Him were struck blind. And those who saw it were much afraid and in great perplexity, and said about Him: Every word which he spoke, whether good or bad, was an act, and became a wonder. And when they saw that Jesus had done such a thing, Joseph rose and took hold of His ear, and pulled it hard. And the child was very angry, and said to him: It is enough for you to seek, and not to find; and most certainly you have not done wisely. Do you not know that I am yours? Do not trouble me.

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

Verily i tell you the powers of Trolls are increasing!!

 

[Kirran]

Verily i tell you the powers of Trolls are increasing!!

And we have managed to construct an interesting and valid dialogue from such foundations. Verily, I tell you our powers of resistance are increasing!

 

[Awoon]

This is a bizarre statement. Westerners are a product of both Greco-Roman and Judeo-Christian thought. They are inseparable if you want to understand anything about the Western world.

I'm from the Western world and I've been taught Semitic thought. I didn't say Judeo-Christian.

 

[pacifica]

I'm from the Western world and I've been taught Semitic thought. I didn't say Judeo-Christian.

"Western world" in its widest sense usually refers to Europe and countries with European colonial history and large originally European populations, although there are stricter definitions. If you are from the Western world, you have been taught even indirectly a mindset that is mainly both Judeo-Christian (which is Semitic, since the Hebrews were a Semitic people) and Greco-Roman, with of course local influences. I guess I don't get what you're saying. Where are you from?

 

[Jumi]

There's an anapocryphal account of Jesus's childhood found in the Book of Thomas.

I had a teacher(of religious studies) in high school who believed the infancy gospel was the true account. When I read the Bible on my own, I was surprised the stories the teacher told us were not included.

 

[Awoon]

"Western world" in its widest sense usually refers to Europe and countries with European colonial history and large originally European populations, although there are stricter definitions. If you are from the Western world, you have been taught even indirectly a mindset that is mainly both Judeo-Christian (which is Semitic, since the Hebrews were a Semitic people) and Greco-Roman, with of course local influences. I guess I don't get what you're saying. Where are you from?

I'm from Ohio 64 yrs. You are 22yrs old. Don't try to teach me anything. No, you don't get what I'm saying. You know it all at your age.

 

[hannah969]

Wow... Get a grip! Just because there is no record of what Jesus did for twenty years of His life, you have a problem with the doctrine of the gospel? All we know about that period is what it says in Luke 20:53: "And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and man." Just what is it you think you need to know? Whether or not he had a girl friend and went to the prom? My guess is that he continued to follow tradition as is suggested by Luke 20:46: "And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions." Also in Luke 20:49: "And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father’s business? This last suggesting that Jesus was dutifully continuing t go about preparing to do His Father's (God's) business of saving His children.

And... wow... because YOU are unable to "make sense" of your own religion then that means you have become the sole authority of what is to be considered valid and all those who don't agree with you should be "got rid of"? Well little miss Nazi, just when do you plan going to fire up your gas chambers and ovens?
One last comment: None of the little children I know in my church's Primary are what you call terrified. What little children are you referring to? Are you terrifying little children with your version of gospel stories? Maybe we should put you away.

No.

Deliberately telling vile lies to children such as "eternal damnation" and torture and representing them as truth to believe a certain doctrine is child abuse.

Ergo the Catholic Church implements child abuse as one of its tenants.

Ergo the Catholics doing this should be put away.

Learn to read.

 

[hannah969]

I've had time to reflect on what I said. Also I've discussed this with my sister and she has given me some good advice. So, I want to apologize for being harsh. I would like to say that the idea of "getting rid of people" because of their beliefs is disturbing to me. It is this kind of thinking that stated the Holocaust and for this reason it is wrong.

What's that expression? Murphy's law or Godwin's law or something?

Y'know... when the first person to bring up Hitler, the Nazi's or the Holocaust in a thread where it's not relevant inherently loses the debate?

 

[pacifica]

I'm from Ohio 64 yrs. You are 22yrs old. Don't try to teach me anything. No, you don't get what I'm saying. You know it all at your age.

Some quick clarification instead of cryptic rhetoric might be helpful. Since we're talking about easily checkable facts and not life wisdom that might be increased by age, you could be 100 for all I care and still be wrong. Western culture is at its core Semitic and Greco-Roman. That's self-evident and also accepted as a mainstream concept by the academe. Your original post made a nonsensical distinction, as if Western thought is a product of only Greco-Roman thought. That's what I was commenting on. If you meant that Westerners and Middle Eastern people have different hermeneutical methods, that is a another point and arguably a valid one.

Almost, probably ALL Bible characters have no biography from birth to death. It just isn't important to the Semitic mind to who the Bible was written. Westerners (greco/roman thought) need every little detail of ones life plainly described to analyze the person. What was Jesus (if he was a real historical person) doing, growing up and living like any other Semitic child.

 

[pacifica]

No.

Deliberately telling vile lies to children such as "eternal damnation" and torture and representing them as truth to believe a certain doctrine is child abuse.

Ergo the Catholic Church implements child abuse as one of its tenants.

Ergo the Catholics doing this should be put away.

Learn to read.

What's that expression? Murphy's law or Godwin's law or something?

Y'know... when the first person to bring up Hitler, the Nazi's or the Holocaust in a thread where it's not relevant inherently loses the debate?

Tsk tsk, be more careful with your anti-Christian/Catholic trolling, it's showing

 

[hannah969]

Tsk tsk, be more careful with your anti-Christian/Catholic trolling, it's showing

Can I be Catholic and anti-Catholic at the same time? I'm baptised and have been through all the sacraments except marriage but I've slept with a lot of married men and broken up a lot of marriages. Is that bad?

I'm not the creep rambling on and on about the Holocaust for no reason.

 

[pacifica]

lol

 

[pacifica]

No, but seriously. A+ grade trolling means you have to be consistent. Your trolling persona here is the clueless ditzy nymphomaniac who writes a bit like a dumb high schooler and asks inane questions. Then you do this:

No.

Deliberately telling vile lies to children such as "eternal damnation" and torture and representing them as truth to believe a certain doctrine is child abuse.

Ergo the Catholic Church implements child abuse as one of its tenants.

Ergo the Catholics doing this should be put away.

Learn to read.

What's that expression? Murphy's law or Godwin's law or something?

Y'know... when the first person to bring up Hitler, the Nazi's or the Holocaust in a thread where it's not relevant inherently loses the debate?

What's with the big words??? These posts aren't chill. You've broken character. They sound like a 21 yrs old r/atheism guy. Consistency. That's how you become a board-certified troll, when people cannot tell if you're serious or not.

 

[hannah969]

No, but seriously. A+ grade trolling means you have to be consistent. Your trolling persona here is the clueless ditzy nymphomaniac who writes a bit like a dumb high schooler and asks inane questions. Then you do this:




What's with the big words??? These posts aren't chill. You've broken character. They sound like a 21 yrs old r/atheism guy. Consistency. That's how you become a board-certified troll, when people cannot tell if you're serious or not.

I'm not a dumb high schooler. I know what I'm talking about.

 

[Awoon]

Some quick clarification instead of cryptic rhetoric might be helpful. Since we're talking about easily checkable facts and not life wisdom that might be increased by age, you could be 100 for all I care and still be wrong. Western culture is at its core Semitic and Greco-Roman. That's self-evident and also accepted as a mainstream concept by the academe. Your original post made a nonsensical distinction, as if Western thought is a product of only Greco-Roman thought. That's what I was commenting on. If you meant that Westerners and Middle Eastern people have different hermeneutical methods, that is a another point and arguably a valid one.

I was clear. Semites don't give every detail of any character in their stories. Every Bible Character is proof, there are gaps in all their life stories. Greeks, Romans and Americans need every little detail.

The question of what was Jesus doing from 13 yrs old until he died, is the same as asking, what was Adam doing before Eve was invented into the Genesis story by the story writer? No one knows and Semites DONT CARE!!

 

[hannah969]

I was clear. Semites don't give every detail of any character in their stories. Every Bible Character is proof, there are gaps in all their life stories. Greeks, Romans and Americans need every little detail.

The question of what was Jesus doing from 13 yrs old until he died, is the same as asking, what was Adam doing before Eve was invented into the Genesis story by the story writer? No one knows and Semites DONT CARE!!

That seems really dumb and intolerant.

How could a religion make up a story about "the son of god" and leave out a solid two thirds of his bio?

I'm really ashamed to call myself a Christian today. I feel so dumb.

 

[outhouse]

There was a BBC documentary on Jesus in India, I watched it years ago but don't remember if it was any good

Its worthless rhetoric. Its actually worse then worthless information.