What Would Be Your Appeal on Judgement Day?

[sayak83]

It isn't speculation; it is a theoretical question, and you're already wasting time by replying.

I'm aware what Hindu's believe, when compared to their texts; just the same as every other religious tradition in this current world that go contrary.

Kalki Purana 1:3 May the Supreme Personality of Godhead, having assumed the form of Kalki, who is the Supersoul of all living entities, establish the eternal principles of religion Having appeared in a family of brdhmanas, He will annihilate the sinful kings of Kali-yuga by the fire of the poison emanating from His ferocious serpent-like hands while riding on the back of an excellent horse of the Sindh province. In this way, He will protect the pious and re-establish Satya-yuga

Kalki Purana 2:28 The four exalted brahmanas offered their obeisances unto Lord Visnu, who had assumed the form of a human being. They very well understood that Lord Kalki had appeared to rid the earth of all those who had become degraded to the level of sinful demons.

As stating previously on here, that most Hindu's do not accept we're the demons according to chapter 16 of the Bhaghavad Gita, and we're not Brahman unless we're a saint already.

Repeatedly your lack of taking on board what is being stated properly is shocking, for someone who seems so smart...

The OP doesn't say anything about the afterlife; Judgement day according to most religious texts happens here, where this realm is cleansed by fire, and after those who are Godly live in this realm, the rest are removed.

Yet the OP is theoretical as well, to make us ponder what sort of response we would give in said situation.
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Not filling in any of those questions, it could be any religious requirements, some have made it, we haven't...

Thus the question was left open to see if people ponder how they would appeal, and how many argue against the concept.

Tho the start of your answer would make a good appeal; the end isn't rational based on the idea presented, it is happening, we don't have a choice if it happens, we're either removed from reality or come up with some way to appeal.

In my opinion.

Kalki Purana is a spurious 19th century text and is not considered scripture by 99.9% of Hindus.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Tho the start of your answer would make a good appeal; the end isn't rational based on the idea presented, it is happening, we don't have a choice if it happens, we're either removed from reality or come up with some way to appeal.

In my opinion.

It may not be in line with one's self-interest, but character is about putting your principles before your self-interest.

As for appeals... a mass murderer in the middle of committing mass murder isn't the sort of person you reason with.

 

[wizanda]

So wait...you're arguing that the ends justifies the means?

Who are we to say; here is a being with a lot more advanced knowledge than any of us have, deciding this is the best outcome...

We don't have these options, and I'm not going to justify another's actions, without knowing the whole situation.

a mass murderer in the middle of committing mass murder isn't the sort of person you reason with.

The being made our reality, its levels of comprehension are slightly more advanced than murdering people; thus there is a logical reason for it somewhere, it is just our lack of discernment.

In my opinion.

 

[Pudding]

Not filling in any of those questions, it could be any religious requirements, some have made it, we haven't...

Thus the question was left open to see if people ponder how they would appeal, and how many argue against the concept.

I see, it could be any religious requirements. If the supposed religious requirements is unjust, illogical and irrational, do you expect people to say that it's their mistake to not fulfilled such faulty religious requirements and plead the illogical god not to send them to hell?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

The being made our reality, its levels of comprehension are slightly more advanced than murdering people; thus there is a logical reason for it somewhere, it is just our lack of discernment.

That wasn't part of your original hypothetical: you just had someone judging people and incinerating the ones he didn't like. No mention of this person's judgement criteria or his back story.

That being said, I don't think your new addition to the hypothetical helps anything. Not only is this guy murdering most of the people he can get his hands on, but it turns out that he created all of us... presumably knowing (planning?) that he'd end up murdering all these people.

This change to the scenario doesn't make the person seem any better or wiser, IMO. I don't know why you would infer from all this that he must have logical reasons for his genocide.

...but since you raise the idea: can you list some of the cases when you think that genocide is the right thing to do and isn't you know - an unspeakable evil? Edit: I ask because you're implying that there can be some situations where genocide is a good thing.

 

[LuisDantas]

Repeatedly your lack of taking on board what is being stated properly is shocking, for someone who seems so smart...

Nope. You are telling me that the premise requires an unfair afterlife (and/or as you point out below, an unfair judgement). I am just acknowledging that.

The OP doesn't say anything about the afterlife; Judgement day according to most religious texts happens here, where this realm is cleansed by fire, and after those who are Godly live in this realm, the rest are removed.

Oh, right.

Well, that does not change anything, now does it?

 

[Faithofchristian]

So lets say we've already failed, and along comes Judgement day on earth, where after there will be eternal life in paradise on the new earth; everyone else is to be chucked into the incinerator...

What would you plead to show that there has been a mistake in why you should be worth keeping?

In my opinion.

First of all there is no pleading, Not when your own words are there condemning you.

And your name is not found in the book of Life of Christ Jesus

 

[Woberts]

I would tremble before the might of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, but then I would remind him of all the work I have done in His name, and he would take me in his noodly appendages to Heaven, where I shall swim in the beer volcano and live in bliss for all eternity.

 

[bubbleguppy]

I'd probably try to do something similar to the plot of the song "Tribute" by Tenacious D and hope for the best, if I couldn't just walk away.

 

[Mock Turtle]

I think I may play this - since it seems to sum up much of life:

As in - you created us - what did you expect?

 

[Scott C.]

So lets say we've already failed, and along comes Judgement day on earth, where after there will be eternal life in paradise on the new earth; everyone else is to be chucked into the incinerator...

What would you plead to show that there has been a mistake in why you should be worth keeping?

In my opinion.

Assuming the judge is capable of reading my thoughts, heart, and intentions, I would remind the judge that I did my best. If my best wasn't good enough, I must not have been given enough information to succeed, or I was inherently incapable of succeeding. I would remind the judge that if either of those are the case, I should then be spared. If I were nevertheless incinerated, I would conclude that was not a very fair deal.

EDIT: If I had a choice between burning in hell forever or being incinerated into non-existence, I'd take incineration.

 

[12jtartar]

So lets say we've already failed, and along comes Judgement day on earth, where after there will be eternal life in paradise on the new earth; everyone else is to be chucked into the incinerator...

What would you plead to show that there has been a mistake in why you should be worth keeping?

In my opinion. [/QUOT
wizanda,
If you want to know the answer as to why some will be saved and many will not, turn to Proverbs 1:20 thru 2:11.
Notice that there are people in the streets trying to get you to listen, but you dismiss them. At verse 1:23 God says that if you respond He would give you His Spirit so that you could understand His words. Notice how He kept calling out, but you kept refusing, and would not pay attention, 1:24,25. Then consider verses 26-33, where God has given up trying to help you, and allows you to be destroyed.
What will be your excuse when Jesus comes and asks you why you would not listen, when people even came to your house and tried to tell you about God’s Purpose for this earth, Matthew 24:14, Isaiah 26:10, Daniel 12:10, whether a person listens or not depends on the goodness of the heart, Matthew 13:13-15, Mark 7:6-8, 20-23.
God does not want any to be destroyed, but if people just will not listen, and do not want help from the all knowing God, then how can He create the Paradise Earth that He will make? 2Peter 3:9,10,7. Compared to the billions that have lived on this earth, a relative few will be saved and live in that Beautiful Paradise Earth, Revelation 21:1-8, Jesus gave the warning, Matthew 7:13,14, Luke 13:23,24.

 

[wizanda]

..but since you raise the idea: can you list some of the cases when you think that genocide is the right thing to do and isn't you know - an unspeakable evil?

• The planet could be destroyed by multiple possible methods, and it needs replacing.
• There is an infectious virus spreading, and everyone will die horrifically in days unless we incinerate them to prevent its continuation.
• etc...

The OP was saying the being created a new earth, and thus it clearly has power and wisdom to do such a thing

plead the illogical god not to send them to hell?

The illogical God has the power to create a new paradise earth, think it would have a logic comprehension beyond us...

See that is part of the questions ambiguity, as it lets us all test our whole scope of religious beliefs, as being the standard for us "being saved."

Well, that does not change anything, now does it?

It changes it loads, as instead of the trajectory you seem to think the topic is about, which seems some religious driven reason...

It instead becomes a hypothetical scenario to see if people can be logical, when left with an emptiness scenario; similar to Buddha's questioning of reality, where he examined and removed all prior teachings if they didn't fit the logic presented.

So a logical answer would be something that fits in the confinements of the question.

In my opinion.

 

[Valjean]

I based my description of judgment day upon the only reliable ,accurate source the words of Jesus the bible. I gave you information validating its accuracy.Who rose from the dead and proved that he was who he said he was.

There is no reliable, first-person account of Jesus' words, and what information did you give me validating the Bible's accuracy?
A reliable text would not be full of contradictions, errors, mistranslations, &c.

Why do you think the Bible is a more authoritative reference than the Quran, for example? Couldn't the Muslims make the same claims of historical and religious accuracy? For that matter, couldn't the Pastafarians, as well?

The life jacket has been thrown in the water to safe you from drowning.
Its up to you to swim to it and put it on and be delivered.

But I have no valid reason to believe I'm drowning, or that I'm in the water at all, or that this Christian 'life jacket' even floats.

 

[QuestioningMind]

So lets say we've already failed, and along comes Judgement day on earth, where after there will be eternal life in paradise on the new earth; everyone else is to be chucked into the incinerator...

What would you plead to show that there has been a mistake in why you should be worth keeping?

In my opinion.

Why did you create human beings with logical rational thinking brains and then expect them to turn them off in order to use blind faith instead?

 

[Woberts]

For that matter, couldn't the Pastafarians, as well?

Yes. I could claim that, although the Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is purposely not clear at times. Avast, ye scurvy sea dogs! Keep it cool!
Edit: Considering how most people don't know the ins and outs of Pastafarianism, the "Avast, ye scurvy sea dogs! Keep it cool!" comment is referring to how us Pastafarians revere pirates, and how a decrease in pirates has provably led to global warming.

 

[Buddha Dharma]

So lets say we've already failed, and along comes Judgement day on earth, where after there will be eternal life in paradise on the new earth; everyone else is to be chucked into the incinerator...

What would you plead to show that there has been a mistake in why you should be worth keeping?

I would plead nothing. If eternal annihilation is the worst a deity that might be tyrannical could do to me- that is nothing to fear.

If it is hell. I'd still plead nothing because I regret none of the ways in which I've lived my life for good, or acted in accord with my disposition on certain matters. If my attempts to rectify any ways I harmed people weren't enough- I'd assume this deity unreasonable.

Or if I said the gatha of repentance out of sincerity to the Buddha where I did wrong- would this deity be merely angry that it wasn't to him? My intentions would mean nothing?

If he searches people's hearts- surely he must know when 'unbelievers' are striving with pure intent?

People can lay to my charge that I've hurt them at times, but not that I'm without conscience. I'm as imperfect as any man in my faculties at times.

I believe I'm doing the best I can do for my own well-being and the world's benefit- being Buddhist. If my best isn't good enough, so be it. I am true to my convictions. I DON'T regret that.

I'd be confused and surprised that I'd merited eternal torment, as though I were anything like Hitler or Nero- but I wouldn't regret my best effort.

 

[WalterTrull]

There are appeals??

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

I read through the first couple pages to try and make sure I didn't see a response that mirrors what I'd do - so if anyone already said something similar - know that I would have simply liked the post and not replied. Anyway... I wouldn't make excuses, nor even plead my case. I'd say simply:

"If you ever cared for me, I ask now that you obliterate my spirit rather than let me suffer for eternity."

If He granted my request, it's no skin off His back - I am simply no longer anyone's headache, and I won't have expected an afterlife anyway. Both of our potential "problems" end up solved.

If He refused, then it would, in my eyes, prove a malevolent streak to God. And I would spend the rest of eternity trying to gain any bit of knowledge I could to somehow, some way, get out from under His tyrannical thumb.

 

[LuisDantas]

It changes it loads, as instead of the trajectory you seem to think the topic is about, which seems some religious driven reason...

It instead becomes a hypothetical scenario to see if people can be logical, when left with an emptiness scenario; similar to Buddha's questioning of reality, where he examined and removed all prior teachings if they didn't fit the logic presented.

So a logical answer would be something that fits in the confinements of the question.

In my opinion.

Sorry, I am just not seeing it. There is no logical reason for me to worry about such a scenario.