What would Christains do if Jesus returned tomorrow and proclaimed himself a Muslim?

[BruceDLimber]

What if the new, non-white, totally true Jesus came from a Muslim upbringing?

Then I would expect him to change the Muslim faith as much as he did his original Jewish one. It is clear it needs it.

Then you would do well to examine the Baha'i Faith and what it's done with and for Islam!

The more so given that its Founder, Whom we recognize as the Return of the Christ Spirit, did indeed have a Muslim upbringing!

Peace,

Bruce

 

[Bismillah]

The Bahai'i faith has done absolutely nothing for Islam as it is an entirely separate religion.

 

[Breathe]

The difference between the words I think ultimately is:

Koe - Ran
and
Qur - An

I think the first is as you said " a traditional English spelling" originating from the works of 19th century Orientalists while the Quran version is definitely the more accurate transliteration.

More accurate, yes, because it maps each phoneme to a Latin letter or couple of Latin letters - mirroring more the pronunciation in the original language rather than the pronunciation that would be most accessible to native speakers. The other being less correct? No. Koran and Quran, even if you spell it as Qur'an, are still going to be pronounced the same way by the majority of speakers. Only the super correct, Muslims, or Arabic speakers, will pronounce it as /qʊrˈʔɑːn/ the way it would be pronounced in Arabic.

However, I was just referring to what seems to follow when people use words such as "koran" "moslem" "mohammaden" etc. etc.

Moslem and Koran are the more archaic English spellings. Not as common as they were, but still acceptable. Mohammedan, lol.

 

[Breathe]

So why is Koran and Moslem legitimate but Xtian not?

Xtian looks more "Eks-tee-an". The X is from Greek "khi" (also spelled as chi), as "Christ" comes from Greek "Christos" (Χριστό&#962. It's an abbreviation.

Koran and Moslem are traditional spellings to reflect the pronunciation by native English speakers, Xtian is an abbreviation. I've only seen it in casual use online, and from a few neo-Pagans who dislike Christianity so call it Xtianity.

 

[sirat]

Is Qur'an using some language other than English? It is the linguistically correct spelling and almost always you can tell the depth and knowledge level of people regarding the variation of spelling they use.

salaam friend,

Just so there are no misunderstandings, some would call me a Baha'i. I do not wish there to be an unpleasant surprise later.

I found your statement to be quite insightful. The choice of letters has to do with many things including abjad.

Could one replace the letters alph with an "a"? One points like a straight line to heaven, the other does not.

How does one spell ALM? The disconnected letters mean as much or more than the connected ones.

Yes, there is great beauty in what you wrote.

wa salaam
sirat

 

[horizon_mj1]

The Koran, Bantam Classic; Sura 2; 250; 4th paragraph; "Some of the apostles We have endowed more highly than others: Those to whom God hath spoken, He hath raised to the loftiest grade, and to Jesus the son of Mary We gave maifest signs, and we strengthened him with the Holy Spirit. And if God had pleased, they who came after them would not have wrangled after the clear signs had reached them. But into disputes they fell: some of them believed, and some were infidels; yet if God had pleased, they would not have thus wrangled: but God doth what He will."

Point blank, yes the Koran and Muslim community believe that Jesus did in fact exist.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

The Bahai'i faith has done absolutely nothing for Islam as it is an entirely separate religion.

I think, If it was called Islam again, or claimed to be the true Islam, it would be mixed as just another sect of Islam.
Considering when Jews were waiting for Messiah, then when Jesus came as their Messiah, He also created entirely separate religion and when Muhammad came as the Spirit of Truth, which was promised to Christians in new testimony, He also created entirely separate religion, then so did the Bab and Baha'u'llah. it has been always the tradition of God to substitute a new faith as to renew the same message.
So, I am not sure why we should be surprised that a new entire saparate religion came?

 

[The Sum of Awe]

What if god came down and declared himself an atheist, and then blinked out of existence?

Isn't God an atheist? Because atheism, by definition, is the lack of belief in gods. Which in this case, there are no gods among him, thus he would be atheist.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

Well, if Jesus said he was a Muslims, Christians would call him a faker... Then if Christ did magic and stuff to prove it, Christians would call him the devil or the anti-christ trying to get people into hell.

 

[BruceDLimber]

The Bahai'i faith has done absolutely nothing for Islam as it is an entirely separate religion.

Yes and no.

The Baha'i Faith is indeed a separate religion; but that said, it has both honored and respected Islam from its inception, quoted frequently from the Qur'an, and constantly defended Islam against the many unthinking attacks taking place these days!

Peace,

Bruce

 

[BruceDLimber]

So why is [sic] Koran and Moslem legitimate but Xtian not?

Xtian (also frequently spelled Xn) is perfectly OK, and knowledgeable people use it all the time! It's a simple abbreviation employing the first Greek letter in that spelling of Christ, and those who object to it often aren't even aware of this (even while putting "XP" (chi rho) on their altars)!

Peace,

Bruce

 

[Starsoul]

What would Muslims do if God came down in human form -- as Jesus -- tomorrow? Would they run to their Imam for comfort, or would they bow down and submit?

No, muslims strive to believe in the truth, and if truth suggested otherwise, we arent arrogant enough to live in a false folly just because it comforts our inflated egos.

Muslims believe that Jesus (Eesa A.S) will have his second arrival, and he will declare God as the only one and himself not his son, will clarify the confusions in christianity, Judaism and the sect of Islam, and he will be followed by most christians, and all muslims, as the hadiths say.

And most believers believe that he will come, since a lot needs to be clarified, which no one except a prophecy can set straight.

 

[Starsoul]

Well, if Jesus said he was a Muslims, Christians would call him a faker... Then if Christ did magic and stuff to prove it, Christians would call him the devil or the anti-christ trying to get people into hell.

Christians know the qualities of the Jesus, and no-one can mimic them, in muslim texts it is said that a large number of christians will believe him since he will come at a time that people will be desperate for guidance, and looking to the skies for help. He will arrive in a way that no-one will be able to deny and all will get to see him, and it wont be a time where people will have any stamina left to hate each other and have the option or the spirit to deny him. Christians are good people mostly, i do think they will obey their Prophet. InshAllah

 

[horizon_mj1]

Not really.

Judaism, Hinduism, Sikhism, and some interpretations of Bahá'í don't.
UU definitely don't, if one considers that a religion.

Maybe I should word It differently; all religions believe they are right in their concepts. My religion is truth, continuum, constant absorption of all knowledge relevant for life existing within our known universe. I refuse to have anything beyond my own personal opinion on any of this (like we all do), but refuse to pass any judgment. To me religion is elusive due to my values but holds some very fundamental key facts that belong in the scheme of, well quite obviously, everything.

 

[Breathe]

all religions believe they are right in their concepts.

Naturally - yes. What would be the point in a religion teaching it was wrong, after all?

 

[Bismillah]

I think, If it was called Islam again, or claimed to be the true Islam, it would be mixed as just another sect of Islam.

As I am aware there are two "sects" within Islam the Sunni and Shia. Claims of subsequent Prophet hood naturally place the dogma as outside the religion.

As such it has added no theological insight on the religion itself.

I'm sorry to say this Bismillah, but your logic is awful on this. There is a direct political, cultural, and dogmatic link between Shia Islam and the Baha'is.

Would you link me to some great Muslim Bahai scholars? Of course they don't exist and Bahais are not concerned with the theological science of Islam.

And Shias and Bahais are related? How?

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Claims of subsequent Prophet hood naturally place the dogma as outside the religion.
As such it has added no theological insight on the religion itself.

While Baha'i Faith is an independent Faith with it's own Two Messengers and Books and Laws, it believes in progressive revelation from God. In this view all great religions are considered one religion which came from the same God in different times and each of the Messengers brought a new chapter of the Book of God. For example Bible is one chapter, Quran another and 200 new volumes of Book in the Baha'i faith another chapter, and the Messenger who shall come after 1000 years another chapter of the Book of God and so on. You are sure aware of this verse of Quran:

"And if all the trees on earth were pens and the ocean (were ink), with seven oceans behind it to add to its (supply), yet would not the words of Allah be exhausted (in the writing): for Allah is Exalted in Power, full of Wisdom." Quran (31:27)

 

[sirat]

I can't link you to "Great Muslim Baha'i Scholars" because they don't exist. Just like "Great Jewish Christian Scholars" don't exist. You're either Muslim or Baha'i or Jew or Christian or whatever else you are.

The Baha'i Faith and Shia Islam are related due to the fact that the founders of the Baha'i Faith were raised as Shia Muslims. As a result, the dogma of their religious upbringing bled over.

salaam friend,

I understand your point and it is reasonable. However, it is not quite correct to the 100% level. I know of Jewish scholars who have been trained by Jesuits. One of the Popes was even trained in an Islamic college. There are Muslim scholars who are quite knowledgeable about Baha'i writings and could teach one many things. However, it is a bit dangerous to one's health to live in an Islamic country and start expounding on Baha'i things. So, the ones I know are pretty quiet about it.

In my experience, there is no holding back people who are thorough in their search for God.

wa salaam
sirat

 

[BruceDLimber]

Would you link me to some great Muslim Bahai scholars?

Such individuals certainly DO exist, and the most prominent is Mirza Abu'l-Fadl, who was a prominent Muslim scholar before he became Baha'i and was later a prominent Baha'i scholar!

He wrote many books which you can read today if you care to look for them, including (but not limited to):

• The Brilliant Proof
• The Baha'i Proofs
• Letters and Essays 1886-1913

and many more!

If you ask around, you can find English copies of these.

Peace,

Bruce

 

[horizon_mj1]

Naturally - yes. What would be the point in a religion teaching it was wrong, after all?

None, but it take takes a hell of alot of integrity to admit your wrong. Especially if you walk around for years claiming your right even if you know different.