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What would Christians say if Jesus doesn't come on the clouds, but will be born again as a human?

whirlingmerc

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Jesus quoted Daniel 7 where the son of man comes in the clouds to be served by people of all tribes and tounges and nations

 

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
Mark 13:26 - At that time people will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory.

Mark 14:62 - "I am," said Jesus. "And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven."

Revelation 1:7 - "Look, he is coming with the clouds," and "every eye will see him, even those who pierced him"; and all peoples on earth "will mourn because of him." So shall it be! Amen.
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Do you agree that "Jesus coming on the clouds" is not the be taken as LITERAL, but this is just a METAPHOR to describe the Second Coming of Christ, which will be a GLORIOUS event witnessed by the entire world?

Therefore, if this is a figure of speech we can only assume that Jesus will be born again in the same manner that he was born a human in the 1st century AD.

Assuming this is correct, do you agree that Jesus being born again as a human would serve to FALSIFY Hebrews 9:27, which means that reincarnation is TRUE, and traditional Christian rejection of reincarnation must be FALSE?

So do you agree that Jesus will be born again as a human because "Jesus coming on the clouds" is nothing but a METAPHOR to describe the GLORY of the Second Coming of Christ?

So do you agree that if Jesus would be born again as a human it means that reincarnation must be TRUE, and rejection of reincarnation in Hebrews 9:27 is thereby FALSE?

Do you agree that Christ will be born again as a human in the same manner that he was born in Bethlehem in the 1st century AD?

Do you agree that Hebrews 9:27 is FALSE?

I don't understand how you know Mark 13 and etc. are symbolic, not literal? What mechanism led you to decide what is literal here and what isn't?

It's as simple as the King being brighter than the sun and progressing about the Earth with His people in a super-glorious train around the globe.

As a fundamentalist, it would take a lot for me to get to "X verse is FALSE" in the holy, perfect scriptures.

Thanks.
 

whirlingmerc

Well-Known Member
Mark 14:62 was spoken by Jesus during his trial. Makes no sense to be taken symbolically. Additionally, Stephen before he died addressed the same group saying he saw Jesus standing at the right hand of God not too long after looking up into the sky dying as he was stoned. Makes no sense to be taken symbolically.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Jesus quoted Daniel 7 where the son of man comes in the clouds to be served by people of all tribes and tounges and nations

Yes, Daniel 7:13-14 the Son of Man to come with the clouds of heaven in that VISION.
'Vision' because as John 14:19 plainly says: the world will behold (see) Jesus No more.
 

whirlingmerc

Well-Known Member
Actually, Jesus quoted Daniel 7 at his trial... he easily could have talked his way out of the trial as he put down scoffers easily before... but here the good shepherd laid down his life for his sheep willingly and went to the cross.

The high made himself low
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Actually, Jesus quoted Daniel 7 at his trial... he easily could have talked his way out of the trial as he put down scoffers easily before... but here the good shepherd laid down his life for his sheep willingly and went to the cross.

Also, as part of Jesus' composite ' sign ' with many events happening globally on Earth as found at Matthew 24:3 B Jesus made reference at that time to Daniel 7:13-14 at Matthew 24:30 in connection to Matthew 25:31-33; Mark 13:26; Luke 21:27-28.
At his trial - Matthew 26:63-65 - Jesus was silent and would be let go if he remained silent, but Jesus answered them with a Jewish idiom at Matthew 26:64: Mark 14:62-64
Then, the high priest rent his clothes as if Jesus was giving his own opinion and playing games with him.
 

whirlingmerc

Well-Known Member
At his trial Jesus was silent with respect to various accusations but answered the question of who he was... and did quote Daniel 7

Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?”

62 “I am,” said Jesus. “And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.” <--- i.e Daniel 7

63 The high priest tore his clothes. “Why do we need any more witnesses?” he asked. 64 “You have heard the blasphemy. What do you think?”


so with regard to his trial he was convicted for saying he was the Messiah, the Son of God, the son of man coming with the clouds,
 
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First Baseman

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The anti-Christ will not come in the clouds but will be born of a woman. I imagine he will use the reasoning in the OP to help him deceive people into thinking he is God incarnate. But of course he will just be a very powerful liar.
 
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