What would you do?

[Unveiled Artist]

I'd threaten to alert the media if my employer threatened to fire me for saving someone's life.

Hm. You think there is publicity in that?

 

[YmirGF]

I'd save his life and then lie about it

I am a firm believer in making judgment calls and my employers often appreciated my unorthodox solutions to complex problems.
You have to understand the rules in order to bend them. Sometimes circumstances demand you throw out the rule book and face the fire for your actions.
That said, I've never been fired for making a controversial call and my bosses usually thanked me afterwards even as they grabbed for their antacid tablets.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Hm. You think there is publicity in that?

You think there isn't?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

You think there isn't?

Mm. Should there be?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I am a firm believer in making judgment calls and my employers often appreciated my unorthodox solutions to complex problems.
You have to understand the rules in order to bend them. Sometimes circumstances demand you throw out the rule book and face the fire for your actions.
That said, I've never been fired for making a controversial call and my bosses usually thanked me afterwards even as they grabbed for their antacid tablets.

Good point.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Mm. Should there be?

Heroic citizen saves innocent stranger's life. Get's rewarded by getting fired from their job.

What do you think?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Heroic citizen saves innocent stranger's life. Get's rewarded by getting fired from their job.

What do you think?

Messed up.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Messed up.

Indeed. And the media feeds on messed up.

 

[McBell]

Can you give at least one example if it is not self defense or saving others? Doesnt need to be many. Just one so I get an idea.

Back in the day was once an OTR truck driver.
I happened upon a roll over, another truck driver hauling a tank of flamable liquid.
The state police was there guarding the wreckage, which was on fire.
The driver was trapped in the cab burning alive.
The trooper was preventing anyone from trying to help the driver.
I suppose he was looking at it in a "the good of the many out weigh the good of the few, or the one" kinda way.
Had I had my way, I would have shot the driver to alleviate his suffering.
The trooper said that he could not shoot the driver to alleviate the suffering because he would then be brought up on homicide charges.
as would I if he handed me his side arm.

Yes. Deciding who should live or die is a moral question.

Fair enough.
Though the morality of the situation is only one af many concerns.

The OP wasnt a technical question.

The OP was an incompletely question, IMO.

Even so, pur decisions are usually what are based on what we value or see as a priorty.

and I am pointing out that you did not have enough information in your OP for an honest answer.
At least not from me.

Unless we have no morals.

Everyone has morals.

Even serial killers have morals.

Agreed

So, dont understand how you (assuming) can separate it.

When did I separate them?

In my above scenario, what is the correct "Moral" solution?

 

[PeteC-UK]

Hi Folks...

Mestemia; That situation you describe - truly sucks - for all concerned - the burning man obviously most of all - but both you and the officer suffered as well....Sometimes our so called laws that are meant to protect can do more harm than good...

Id like to think - that I would have the courage of my convictions - and would take the gun anyway end it for him.....Definately would if the man was screaming for mercy (probably was) - and if that ended with me arrested then the justice system is most definately broken probably beyond repair....

its a very very sad world we make for ourselves..

 

[Unveiled Artist]

When did I separate them?

In my above scenario, what is the correct "Moral" solution?

Thank you. Without your experience, all I knew was there are certain circumstances that you would take someone's life (first couple of post rephrased) and I just wanted to know in what circumstances. To me (when I didn't know about your experience), that's like wagering someone's life based on what I (talking about me), I, feel will benefit me-say I don't want to see the person suffer or the other way around. I know it's not thinking of myself (me) as egotistic but it's putting more the decision on me whether that person should live or die rather than letting life take its course (or karma, is another way of putting it.).

In your case, I wouldn't have done anything even if I had a gun. For some reason, morally (rather than instinctively), I can't say for myself "let me put this guy out misery". I mean, I think of it in my shoes. My mother said she if she saw me die painfully, then she'd take my life. I don't agree with her. It's not part of my morals and I understand.

I understand why you would shoot the person if you were legally about too. I don't understand the moral behind it? (In other words, how is it possible that the act of shooting a person overrides that person's suffering? Wouldn't they both be at a standstill? Rhetorical questions I ask myself when this subject comes up.)

With the OP. What are your morals about the issue (whether you should let someone die or save them) regardless what your job does. In other words, what is your morals behind the issue of your experience regardless if the trooper gave you the gun to shoot the guy suffering or not?

Is shooting that person to relieve them of pain an instinctive reaction? Is it an actual moral that you follow in everyday life even in its little form such as telling a white lie so your friend won't get in trouble by an authority?

Things of that nature.

 

[Quintessence]

@PeteC-UK , I'm sorry, but none of that answered the question I asked there. I wasn't asking for a preachy sermon, so please refrain telling me what to think or what I should do. I was asking why you see having a job as a "purely material" concern. While it's true that many use jobs as their primary source of income, to reduce career choices and jobs down to making money is... well... I'm not seeing it.

 

[PeteC-UK]

Hi Folks..

Qyuintessence; First - I wasnt "telling" you how to think or act - not at all - I was making observations based on personal experiences, and telling you that when / if you come to know your Soul, eternal nature - when you embrace THAT as the main focus, them the mortal outlook on life WILL change accordingly - obvious really....

Im not saying having a job itself - is bad - or negative - of course not...BUT - to place those mortal concerns above your Spiritual truth - that IS ALWAYS bad and negative....Pertaining to this discussion then Im telling you (all) very clearly that to worry about getting fired or sued while someone suffers and dies in your Presence, is a complete NO NO to your Soul and if you place those mortal worries first and fail to act to relieve that suffering, then you HAVE shamed your Soul......Those who KNOW their Soul then WILL act to relieve suffering EVERY TIME regardless of personal cost and their Soul will forcefully compel them to take responsibility...

Simple really....its all down to the advise my mate gave - above all things He said - FIRST - KNOW THY SELF - second - follow THAT truth always

 

[Quintessence]

I think you telling people to risk being fired because of your principles say it is wrong is irresponsible, particularly since it is grounded in this "Soul" thing you keep going on about that may or may not actually exist in any meaningful way. Maybe you'd feel comfortable telling the kids of a single father that "yeah, I encouraged your dad to quit that job that was putting food on your table and a roof over your head because they need to place mortal worries second to the honor of their Soul," but I sure the blazes wouldn't.

 

[bubbleguppy]

If someone is going to be killed and I there is some way anything I could do would prevent it, why wouldn't I? May I'm just too idealistic, but I'm not sure I'd even take a job where helping someone not die is a firable offense.

 

[VioletVortex]

It depends on the person. I'd most certainly save a family member or friend's life if it cost me anything short of a limb.

However, there are many people in this world who I would not consider worthy of having their life saved, especially if they were doing something stupid that jeopardized their life.

Generally, as long as someone is on my "good side", I'd sacrifice a job to save their life.