Stop having sex out of wedlock, then no need to abort unwanted children
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What would you do?
- Thread starter Spiderman
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Have you considered going to your church and offering to volunteer for something?
I don't know anything about your parish, but one big reason I am connected here is because they do so much organized charity work.
And, nothing personal, but you aren't the easiest person to work with.
I think you could do a great deal of good for "the least". But I also think you'd benefit from doing it in a structured environment with advice from experienced people.
Tom
Perhaps a tiny clamp placed around the Vas Deferens, before the boy reaches 10, removed at the wedding reception.....
Abortion happens to married women as well - my mother had one because they could not care for a baby due to economic circumstances.
Her experience, admitted to me late in her life, cemented how I view being pro-life which is close to @columbus "Breathing" is not life except in the most reductionistic sense and there are many reasons why a woman might have an abortion.
To be pro-life really means to be pro-human. We need to have universal health care that includes helping women decide when to get pregnant. We need to stop the horrible slaughter by the gun that shows that we're uncivilized savages compared to the developed nations. We need to ensure that children are cared for and not allowed to suffer due to privation by sharing our wealth with the "least of these" and that includes a health care system which takes care of those who have handicaps of various sorts so there is no economic pressure to abort because of a lack of money.
We've not learned the lesson yet because we keep repeating the mistake of thinking that outlawing something will stop people. People drank during prohibition. People take drugs today. People including my mother had an abortion when it was strictly illegal.
People change behavior not because something is outlawed but because something obviously better and more attractive exists. So far we're not willing to do what is necessary to build that attractive alternative.
Her experience, admitted to me late in her life, cemented how I view being pro-life which is close to @columbus "Breathing" is not life except in the most reductionistic sense and there are many reasons why a woman might have an abortion.
To be pro-life really means to be pro-human. We need to have universal health care that includes helping women decide when to get pregnant. We need to stop the horrible slaughter by the gun that shows that we're uncivilized savages compared to the developed nations. We need to ensure that children are cared for and not allowed to suffer due to privation by sharing our wealth with the "least of these" and that includes a health care system which takes care of those who have handicaps of various sorts so there is no economic pressure to abort because of a lack of money.
We've not learned the lesson yet because we keep repeating the mistake of thinking that outlawing something will stop people. People drank during prohibition. People take drugs today. People including my mother had an abortion when it was strictly illegal.
People change behavior not because something is outlawed but because something obviously better and more attractive exists. So far we're not willing to do what is necessary to build that attractive alternative.
Spiderman
Veteran Member
My parish currently is mainly Hispanic. Most masses are in spanish and the immigrants speak little English and I don't speak Spanish. I've been looking into volunteer work with my caseworker.
My volunteer work turned into a disaster in the ghetto of New York when I got into a fight, but it was drug related. Now that I'm committed to sobriety, and since I broke so many bones in a drug related suicide attempt, I don't think I'll get into anymore fights
Spiderman
Veteran Member
Precisely!
And married men learn not to exercise their lust unless they want children
Spiderman
Veteran Member
It boils down to men using women as objects to satisfy their lusts. Some of the weakest most hedonist men I know are pro choice. I wonder why?
If you all knew how much I loved women, you would know how much it hurts to be labeled a misogynist who shames women who have had abortions. I want women to know it isn't their fault and get over it.
I place the fault primarily on weak, undisciplined, hedonistic, men who use women as objects or get women pregnant and leave them.
Men are more at fault for the abortion epidemic than women. FAR more! But people will still accuse me of bashing women.
I'm sick to death of lust, selfishness, pride, and hedonism in our culture of death! That is primarily coming from men!
If you all knew how much I loved women, you would know how much it hurts to be labeled a misogynist who shames women who have had abortions. I want women to know it isn't their fault and get over it.
I place the fault primarily on weak, undisciplined, hedonistic, men who use women as objects or get women pregnant and leave them.
Men are more at fault for the abortion epidemic than women. FAR more! But people will still accuse me of bashing women.
I'm sick to death of lust, selfishness, pride, and hedonism in our culture of death! That is primarily coming from men!
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
So you oppose war and capital punishment?
In the Eastern system of 4 ages, the Kali/Dark/Iron age now ending is one where masculine energies predominate. In the Golden age now being born, feminine energies come to the fore.
I sense that this great transition has just barely started. It can be aided by people of good will who try to live a positive life.
Again, simple answer no. The 'official position' you support is far to radical to actually show a 'concern for life.'
Like I said, it's easier for you to harass women than it is to do something about the modern-day slavers that disgust you even more.
....and how do you know the reasons why women choose to have an abortion? (Do you even consider women capable of making that choice?)It boils down to men using women as objects to satisfy their lusts. Some of the weakest most hedonist men I know are pro choice. I wonder why?
If you all knew how much I loved women, you would know how much it hurts to be labeled a misogynist who shames women who have had abortions. I want women to know it isn't their fault and get over it.
I place the fault primarily on weak, undisciplined, hedonistic, men who use women as objects or get women pregnant and leave them.
Men are more at fault for the abortion epidemic than women. FAR more! But people will still accuse me of bashing women.
I'm sick to death of lust, selfishness, pride, and hedonism in our culture of death! That is primarily coming from men!
In answer to the title question, I do not doubt that a fetus inside a human body is in fact a Homo sapiens. But the Court has held that “Constitutional protection of the woman's decision to terminate her pregnancy derives from the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment,” and that “viability marks the earliest point at which the State's interest in fetal life is constitutionally adequate to justify a legislative ban on nontherapeutic abortions.” Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pennsylvania v. Casey.
The most effective way to reduce the number of abortions is to seek to ensure that women have access to birth control. Defund Planned Parenthood If You Want to Increase Teen Birth Rates and Abortions I definitely support anyone who endeavors to make birth control more available to women and teens who can become pregnant.
Spiderman
Veteran Member
I'm sure I don't know all the reasons. It's an unwanted pregnancy which is almost always the result of someone not exercising self-control and being responsible.
I consider women capable of making the choice and sometimes abortion is the lesser of two evils, but still evil nonetheless
TripleZ
The Empty Cross
you say that " you think ,,, " etc the CJB says; "Exo 20:13 ו "Do not murder. " then this is Gos Word not man's word..Remember that God gave Israel 620 Ordinances to follow up the 10 basic Laws...
TripleZ
The Empty Cross
Your " suppositions " are all yours to deal with, no one else needs those...
TripleZ
The Empty Cross
I did not mention any of those issues, they are all your suppositions...You are also now talking about man made laws anyway....
Even the best birth control (tubal ligation) is not 100% effective.
TripleZ
The Empty Cross
Exo 20:13 ו "Do not murder. and so ?
TripleZ
The Empty Cross
Exo 20:13 ו "Do not murder.