What would you have done?

[Shaul]

The IDF are very well armed, equipped and trained thanks to the US. I also cannot believe that they don't have intelligence operatives in Gaza.

Based on intelligence, teams of IDF can go into gaza and round up many Hamas.

To me this is a far better response than indiscriminate killing of innocents.

I know you have good intentions but I don't think you understand what is going on there. Israel has not been indiscriminately bombing. It has in point of fact done only targeted operations against Hamas and taken great efforts to reduce collateral casualties among civilians.

 

[Shaul]

Especially when a foreign superpower provides the means

Actually Israel produces much, if not most, of its military means with domestic production. Israel produces its own tanks, the Merkava, and the Iron Dome system is an Israeli creation, and its electronic military products, such as drones, are first rate. As a matter of fact it is own of the world's major military exporters.

 

[ChristineM]

I know you have good intentions but I don't think you understand what is going on there. Israel has not been indiscriminately bombing. It has in point of fact done only targeted operations against Hamas and taken great efforts to reduce collateral casualties among civilians.

Bull,

 

[Shaul]

Bull,

I could try to explain how that is so but I sincerely think you don't have an open mind about this.

 

[ChristineM]

Actually Israel produces much, if not most, of its military means with domestic production. Israel produces its own tanks, the Merkava, and the Iron Dome system is an Israeli creation, and its electronic military products, such as drones, are first rate. As a matter of fact it is own of the world's major military exporters.

$3.3 billion a year makes weapons easy to make

 

[ChristineM]

I could try to explain how that is so but I sincerely think you don't have an open mind about this.

More open than you expect and that is a problem for you

 

[Shaul]

$3.3 billion a year makes weapons easy to make

Israel earned over $12 billion in arms sales in 2022.

 

[Shaul]

More open than you expect and that is a problem for you

1) Israel gave multiple warnings to Gaza civilians to leave the areas it was going to operate in. It delayed operations giving civilians time to evacuate. It did these things despite the fact that doing so put their forces at greater risk telegraphing their moves to Hamas.

2) Israel has massive bombing capabilities, up to and probably including nuclear weapons. But it hasn't used general bombing in Gaza. Instead it has used highly precise (and more expensive) munitions and bunker piercing rounds. Purposely intent on surgical targeting of Hamas while minimizing collateral casualties. In other words, Israel has the capability of indiscriminate bombing but has demonstrated it is doing the opposite.

 

[ChristineM]

Israel earned over $12 billion in arms sales in 2022.

Irrelevant

 

[ChristineM]

Israel gave multiple warnings to Gaza civilians to leave the areas it was going to operate in. It delayed operations giving civilians time to evacuate.

Except for those who could not evacuat, the sick and infirm, doctors, nurses etc

Israel has massive bombing capabilities, up to and probably including nuclear weapons. But it hasn't used general bombing in Gaza. Instead it has used highly precise (and more expensive) munitions and bunker piercing rounds

Great gor targeting hospital and schools.

Two wrongs don't make a right

 

[Shaul]

I would hesitate before second-guessing how Israel's Prime Minister has handled things. From what I know he seems to have done a reasonable job handling the situation.

Some things I might do are as follows. I would make great use of all the advanced electronic and drone weapons. Hopefully they could be used to selectively target Hamas individuals even more surgically. I would also make use of more advanced weaponry such as the sponge bomb. I can't say that this would be doing things differently since the actual Prime Minister may be doing all these things. We can't know since such things are not public knowledge.

 

[Koldo]

The IDF are very well armed, equipped and trained thanks to the US. I also cannot believe that they don't have intelligence operatives in Gaza.

Based on intelligence, teams of IDF can go into gaza and round up many Hamas.

To me this is a far better response than indiscriminate killing of innocents.

That would, however, probably result in a very significant loss of israeli soldiers.

 

[Koldo]

If you were Israel’s Prime Minister how would you have handled things differently in response to the Hamas attack on October 7th?

It is a very ****ty situation. I am not afraid to say I have no idea how I would have handled it. I would have to be walking on the Prime Minister's shoes to figure it out.

 

[Koldo]

Ah, one thing I certainly wouldn't do is nuke hospitals and refugee camps. That's simply a terrible idea for multiple reasons.

 

[ChristineM]

That would, however, probably result in a very significant loss of israeli soldiers.

A few certainly, the price of war
Though it would save school and hospital being hit by indiscriminate bombing.
And great for Israels PR machine which isn't doing so well at the moment

 

[Shaul]

Except for those who could not evacuat, the sick and infirm, doctors, nurses etc



Great gor targeting hospital and schools.

Two wrongs don't make a right

Gazans had over a week to evacuate. Even the sick, the infirm, doctors, nurses, etc. had sufficient time to evacuate. Israeli forces haven't targeted hospitals and schools except when Hamas forces have knowingly used them as human shields. In fact this is one reason the Israelis gave the civilians an opportunity to evacuate. The evacuation of the civilians both saved their lives and eliminated Hamas from using them as human shields. The "wrong" here is Hamas using civilians as human shields.

 

[Shaul]

Irrelevant

Explain how it was irrelevant.

 

[ChristineM]

Gazans had over a week to evacuate. Even the sick, the infirm, doctors, nurses, etc. had sufficient time to evacuate. Israeli forces haven't targeted hospitals and schools except when Hamas forces have knowingly used them as human shields. In fact this is one reason the Israelis gave the civilians an opportunity to evacuate. The evacuation of the civilians both saved their lives and eliminated Hamas from using them as human shields. The "wrong" here is Hamas using civilians as human shields.

As i said, some cannot evacuate. There are various reasons for this.

Schools and hospitals... Sheesh. And as far as i know there was never any indication that hamas were using them to hide in

There are two wrongs here.

 

[ChristineM]

Explain how it was irrelevant.

Are they using the weapons they sold to bomb Gaza?

 

[Koldo]

A few certainly, the price of war
Though it would save school and hospital being hit by indiscriminate bombing.
And great for Israels PR machine which isn't doing so well at the moment

Not just a few. Probably a freaking lot of soldier losses. But I certainly don't think they had to bomb hospitals...