Whats disturbing your mind?

[zenzero]

Friend John Doe,

Thank you, as you are right am not any expert on medical matters and so should not indulge in such matters where have no expertise. Agreed and accepted.

However the understanding of meditation as a tool to remove thoughts and its cluttering of the mind is established by meditation al practitioners and if someone finds it suitable for for such an activity then it is found to be in concurrence.

Love & rgds

 

[zenzero]

Friend Runewolf,

We can no more expect to diminish all thoughts than we can remove clouds from the sky. Allow the thoughts and let them be, it is part of our nature. Don't try to force them away, they will float away when they are ready to. Just as the Sun still shines on an overcast day even though we may not see it through the clouds, that "enlightenment" is always there whether those thoughts are present or not. We are never not enlightened, we just don't always realize it because we "think" too much which at times leads us into doubt.

True!

Love & rgds

 

[Brickjectivity]

I know so little about you.

If you could have as many nickels as you wanted would you use any of them for non-monetary purposes? For instance would you use them for fishing weights, building supplies, melt them down, put them into art, toss them in wishing wells, etc. ?

Also how many nickels would you ask for, and how many do you think you would lose through holes in pockets or taxation or forgotten and so on?

 

[zenzero]

Friend Brickjectivity,

I know so little about you.

If you could have as many nickels as you wanted would you use any of them for non-monetary purposes? For instance would you use them for fishing weights, building supplies, melt them down, put them into art, toss them in wishing wells, etc. ?

Also how many nickels would you ask for, and how many do you think you would lose through holes in pockets or taxation or forgotten and so on?

If this is what is disturbing your mind, guess am helpless cause earn and spend nickels only for survival.

Love & rgds

 

[George-ananda]

The only thing disturbing my mind is my mind.

 

[zenzero]

Friend George-anand,

The only thing disturbing my mind is my mind.

Exactly! The very mind is the root of the whole question cause MIND by its very nature and existence depends on 'thoughts' and 'thoughts' are the reason mind plays its role to make us dance to its tune meaning we act on the thoughts and get moulded /attached/ type casted /etc with the thoughts.
The other end of the spectrum is no-mind where the mind has no functional use as such except to respond and such a state of mind is when the mind is free from all thoughts.
Then the individual too is totally free.

Love & rgds

 

[George-ananda]

Friend George-anand,


Exactly! The very mind is the root of the whole question cause MIND by its very nature and existence depends on 'thoughts' and 'thoughts' are the reason mind plays its role to make us dance to its tune meaning we act on the thoughts and get moulded /attached/ type casted /etc with the thoughts.
The other end of the spectrum is no-mind where the mind has no functional use as such except to respond and such a state of mind is when the mind is free from all thoughts.
Then the individual too is totally free.

Love & rgds

I'm trying to get there

 

[zenzero]

Friend George-ananda,

I'm trying to get there

Its not a choice as it appears, we all forms have to even without doing so consciously as evolution will make us reach there, eventually.
Yes if done consciously we are already there; just an understanding,

Love & rgds

 

[John Doe]

Its not a choice as it appears, we all forms have to even without doing so consciously as evolution will make us reach there, eventually.

This is a new meaning for the word evolution.

If you are meaning evolution in the Darwinian sense, then no, there is no 'controller' with a set of aims. There is random mutation, which is sometimes favored by natural selection. Nothing to do with a plan for reaching nirvana.

So what kind of evolution could 'make us reach there' ?

That sounds like some kind of deity. And surely if a deity existed and wanted us to 'reach there', then we would be there by now, given that a 'deity' has already had eternity to achieve any divine purpose !

 

[zenzero]

Friend John Doe,

Humans evolved. Is it true?
Evolution is eternal. Is it true?
Then what is the next step after humans?

Love & rgds

 

[John Doe]

Friend John Doe,

Humans evolved. Is it true?
Evolution is eternal. Is it true?
Then what is the next step after humans?

Love & rgds

Evolution is not continual improvement.

It is successful adaptation to changing environment.

This means that even more ignorant humans may evolve IF they have some trait which better enables them to survive.

Ignorance itself may well be a survival-enhancing trait.

 

[zenzero]

Friend John Doe,

Humans BEing the latest too have evolved from that single cell; from here which direction it will move?
Life begins with consciousness and goes back to it. Human life is understood to be the specie which can intellectual understand consciousness and act on it and so all religions are ways towards that.

Love & rgds

 

[Runewolf1973]

Evolution is not continual improvement.

It is successful adaptation to changing environment.

This means that even more ignorant humans may evolve IF they have some trait which better enables them to survive.

Ignorance itself may well be a survival-enhancing trait.

Agreed. Good point.

 

[Desert Snake]

Evolution is not continual improvement.

It is successful adaptation to changing environment.

This means that even more ignorant humans may evolve IF they have some trait which better enables them to survive.

Ignorance itself may well be a survival-enhancing trait.

good point.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Friend Brickjectivity,


If this is what is disturbing your mind, guess am helpless cause earn and spend nickels only for survival.

Love & rgds

That's something I didn't know about you before. You're a thin target though. Here's another question: "Zen is a popular term these days, but that doesn't mean it is always used properly. You have 'Zen' in your name. Does it mean that Zen is a big part of your lifestyle -- that you are a regular Zen practitioner?"

 

[zenzero]

Friend Brickjectivity,

Since your post does not relate to the OP but is personal, request use PMs for it.

Love & rgds

 

[Brickjectivity]

Friend Brickjectivity,

Since your post does not relate to the OP but is personal, request use PMs for it.

Love & rgds

Thanks, but I'll withdraw the question.

 

[Straw Dog]

Over-thinking can get quite disturbing, but thinking well feels good. The mind is more like the stomach than people realize. Thinking too much and too fast is a recipe for indigestion. It takes time to contemplate well. Fasting from thoughts in meditation is good too, but the mind always becomes hungry again.

 

[zenzero]

Friend Straw Dog,

Yes the space labelled mind till thoughts exists or occupy it, or else its no-mind.
Meaning a small gap that exists between mind and no-mind is the focus of religion to enhance the gap leading to total no-mind.

Yes since by nature mind entertain 'thoughts' we by being watchful try to be aware of them and maintain mindfullness as far as possible till no thoughts attaches itself with the mind any longer.

Love & rgds

 

[Runewolf1973]

Over-thinking can get quite disturbing, but thinking well feels good. The mind is more like the stomach than people realize. Thinking too much and too fast is a recipe for indigestion. It takes time to contemplate well. Fasting from thoughts in meditation is good too, but the mind always becomes hungry again.

Indeed. I agree.