What's the Deal with Evolution?

[McBell]

And the theory of evolution is not a theory of molecules to man. That is a false conflation perpetuated endlessly by people that do not understand the science, but deny it all the same.

Go back through and look at his posts about evolution.
Not a one of them is about evolution.
They are all nothing more than him attacking a strawman he has labeled evolution.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Go back through and look at his posts about evolution.
Not a one of them is about evolution.
They are all nothing more than him attacking a strawman he has labeled evolution.

It has become the defined standard of creationism to battle straw men.

 

[Jos]

Disclaimer: I could myself be considered a kind of creationist, so I'm not here to rag on them!

But what is with this mostly Christian obsession (although I have seen it in the Muslim world too) with the theory of evolution? Aren't there better things to wrangle about? Healthier things to focus on?

Better and healthier are subjective, although I do agree with you.

 

[Wildswanderer]

So you claim, yet you do not seem to be able to define it objectively.

What's to define. It's history that's there for all the see

 

[Wildswanderer]

No. That is what you implied. You implied animals have no rights and you attributed it to Darwin. You say it, but cannot seem to back it up. So far, your record on this is 100%.

No, you didn't even read what I wrote. If Darwin was correct, all us animals have the same rights.

But he wasn't correct.

 

[Wildswanderer]

According to science they do and there is the evidence in science to support that. I thought you were an expert in these things.

An apes DNA isn't identical to human DNA, according to science.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Yet, you cannot demonstrate even one of these other models. Why do you think that is. And the theory of evolution is not a theory of molecules to man. That is a false conflation perpetuated endlessly by people that do not understand the science, but deny it all the same.

If the study of fossil remains were as trivial as you are fallaciously portraying it, your criticism might be true. But sadly you have failed.

Duh, darwinism is the model.

 

[Wildswanderer]

There is a big difference between eating meat and what you implied before where it was all out carnage if we decided to go that way.

You are making stuff up I never said, again.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Basically, all I have gotten is that you have chosen a belief, interpret it your way, deny science and make claims you do not have the ability to support.

Answer the question.

 

[ratiocinator]

If Darwin was correct, all us animals have the same rights.

This is simply false. Darwin and the theory of evolution say nothing about any animal's rights.

 

[Wildswanderer]

This is simply false. Darwin and the theory of evolution say nothing about any animal's rights.

Simple logic.
A pig is a dog is a boy as the animal rightests say. That's what evolution makes us.

 

[night912]

No, you didn't even read what I wrote. If Darwin was correct, all us animals have the same rights.

But he wasn't correct.

So you actually think that a dog doesn't have the right to vote because Darwin was wrong?

The ridiculousness of the Theory of Evolution just shot through the roof with your thinking.

 

[ratiocinator]

Simple logic.
A pig is a dog is a boy as the animal rightests say. That's what evolution makes us.

This makes no sense to me. As I said, the ToE says exactly nothing about rights.

 

[Valjean]

Even if it was allegorical, God is still the creator.

How do we know that?

What is done is to take finds and plug them into an already assumed framework. If you take the same find and put it in another model, you don't come up with molecules to man evolution.
A few bone fragments are assumed to be a ancestor of man for example, because they are found in a certain strata assumed to be a certain age, which is assumed to fit into the theory.

But science, unlike religion, is not satisfied with assuming. Science tests, and its "worldview" is based on observed phenomena, not folklore.

No, but they do not have the same value as humans.

Why? Because we're able to dominate and exploit them? Might makes right?

Having dominion over the animals means we have a responsibility to manage them properly.

But this "dominion" is based only on convenient folklore.

We don't kill for no reason. But for population control, meat, fur, ECT.

We didn't enslave others for no reason, either. Practicality doesn't = right.

 

[Valjean]

In your fantasy world perhaps.

Why do you say that?
"Ape" is a biological category. Humans have the features that include them in the category.

I submit that they might say that, but they don't act like that. Or at least not for the most part.

Even if they really think it's an illusion, then it's the type of illusion that seems very real.

Yes. One must live in the world one perceives, but one may still believe, intellectually, in bizarre, counter-intuitive things like Maya and relativity.

That is just claims. If you know it so well, you should be able to explain it. And without just making more claims.

Science's claims are evidenced, religious claims are not.
Can religion explain any of these things? Religion can't "explain" 99% of what science knows.
Religion doesn't explain, it just attributes.

 

[Valjean]

So you actually think that a dog doesn't have the right to vote because Darwin was wrong?

The ridiculousness of the Theory of Evolution just shot through the roof with your thinking.

Huh????

 

[Valjean]

No, you didn't even read what I wrote. If Darwin was correct, all us animals have the same rights.

But he wasn't correct.

According to the unsupported folklore you ascribe to, but there are mountains of consilient evidence supporting natural selection.

An apes DNA isn't identical to human DNA, according to science.

There are different species of ape. A shared DNA sequence is what defines the species. Chimps are different from gorillas, humans are different from chimps, but the close genetic relationship makes us all apes.

Wildswanderer said: ↑
Simple logic.
A pig is a dog is a boy as the animal rightests say. That's what evolution makes us.

You obviously know nothing about the philosophy.

 

[Rival]

I made this thread.​

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Answer the question.

It isn't it amusing how you start demanding answers after a series of questions you have avoided. I never see this sort of action from the staunch defenders of ignorance except always.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

What's to define. It's history that's there for all the see

Avoiding a response. How unexpected. Anything less?