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What's the deal with the Roma?

Kirran

Premium Member
Finland. When we have beggars they are always from Romania or Bulgaria. There are clans here too. Yes, some of them are associated with criminal activity and there is still racism towards them partly because of those groups.

Interesting. In the UK, or at least Manchester, beggars tend to be British, although there are some from elsewhere. I know a Jamaican guy, and there are a couple Bosnian women.

Stereotyping the majority by the minority. A shame.

Haha let me guess you think those are ethnic Bulgarians or Romanians right?

What a hilarious world we live in.

A lot of Romani do end up as beggars. Would you rather they starve somewhere?
 

Flankerl

Well-Known Member
A lot of Romani do end up as beggars. Would you rather they starve somewhere?

You do realise that there is often a business behind it right? They got their superiors who they have to give the money to. No one is usually starving at all.

I am seriously confused, this has been public knowledge for years.
 

Politesse

Amor Vincit Omnia
So wait... when when Europeans thumb their noses at America for being racist, do they understand that everyone here says the exact same bloody things about Blacks and Mexicans as they do about the Roma, and with exactly as much justification? No, your minorities aren't different. Ask anyone with privilege anywhere in the world about those who haven't got it, you'll get the same stupid sermon about how if you understood what "those people" are really like you'd see that their racism doesn't smell. The experience of the poor or landless is the same everywhere. The language of exclusion is the same everywhere in the world. Always angry, always smugly "factual", always dealing in absolutes, always dehumanizing. Utter rubbish.
 

Shad

Veteran Member
Tribalism. Every reason for rejection, hating or whatever one wishes to use as a basis is from tribalism. The in-group versus the out-group.
 

gsa

Well-Known Member
So wait... when when Europeans thumb their noses at America for being racist, do they understand that everyone here says the exact same bloody things about Blacks and Mexicans as they do about the Roma, and with exactly as much justification? No, your minorities aren't different. Ask anyone with privilege anywhere in the world about those who haven't got it, you'll get the same stupid sermon about how if you understood what "those people" are really like you'd see that their racism doesn't smell. The experience of the poor or landless is the same everywhere. The language of exclusion is the same everywhere in the world. Always angry, always smugly "factual", always dealing in absolutes, always dehumanizing. Utter rubbish.

I remember, pretty vividly, receiving a flyer from a bus driver in my hometown when I was a teenager. It was part of a local campaign to stop the construction of a mobile home park. At the time I was becoming fairly acquainted with anti-gay ideology, and what was striking was how similar this ridiculous local campaign against a mobile home park was: They'll bring STDs, crime, delinquency and garbage into our pristine middle to upper middle class community, was basically the claim. Oh yes, and teen pregnancy (granted, they don't usually accuse gays of that). I thought it was very disturbing, and particularly because this was from an otherwise very nice woman I had known since I was 5. Which goes to show, it isn't even necessarily about having a particular racial, ethnic or sexual status; this form of dehumanization can cross those boundaries.

Turning to the stereotypes discussed in this thread...begging and claiming a false disability, homelessness, etc? Check. Failure to keep up publicly subsidized housing? Check. Long running stereotype that one; my dad told me that the (usually very racist) families in his neighborhood growing up would complain that blacks were dirty and didn't keep up their houses. Public defecation? Here is a nativist website accusing Mexicans of the same thing (note the overt comparison to the Roma).

Almost always it is the same: Consistently deploying the metaphors of animals, vermins, parasites, disease and pests. Things that have to be regulated, separated or exterminated. And it never leads anywhere positive.
 

Politesse

Amor Vincit Omnia
Almost always it is the same: Consistently deploying the metaphors of animals, vermins, parasites, disease and pests. Things that have to be regulated, separated or exterminated. And it never leads anywhere positive.
Yup. When I was a kid, there was an epidemic outbreak of hantavirus in the Southwestern US. First to suffer were tribal folks, as they were both close to the vector and underserved by hospitals. Before they identified the illness, local whites dubbed it the "Navajo Flu" and started denying Indians entrance to businesses and services (not that they ever needed much of an excuse). Even now, people still call it that sometimes.

The message is clear: the disenfranchised must be shunned, because the symptoms of their disenfranchisement are dangerous to the comfort and wellbeing of those who aren't. It's sad but necessary, the unconscious racist insists, to continue to create the problem we decry from generation to generation. If "they" really want rights, the unconscious racist asks, why don't "they" act, live and talk like "us"? Nomadic, sick, on welfare, petty criminal, refugee, drug-addicted, you need not apply for equality until you're ready to act like a white, and still not get the same rights because you'll be held forever responsible for the things "they" do anyway.
 

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
You do realise that there is often a business behind it right? They got their superiors who they have to give the money to. No one is usually starving at all.

I am seriously confused, this has been public knowledge for years.

You seem to reflect all the things they used to say about Jews onto the Roma.
When Dickens saw Jew he showed Fagin.
Just as Shakespeare saw the merchant of Venice.
There are probably as many normal Roma as there ever were Jews.
 
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