Whats the difference?

[Truth_Faith13]

Many Pagan religions teach differently. Mainly is thier is no hell, but many teach that you live your wrong doings in life through the perspective of those you harmed, and live it over and over until you have fully felt the pain you caused.

That sounds like hell to me! if not worse!

 

[Truth_Faith13]

Who are you or me to understand what God's justice is,how he carries it out and how he judges ,I mean in your limited, finite mind is it possible to match or surpass the mind of God ,your ability to comprehend and understand the mind and actions of God are futile and vain even in there conception
It's not just believing in a deity that makes you morally good or accepted by God.
Wth God it's that your goodness is not about what you have done outwardly to man but what you have secretly done in the hidden chambers of your heart gainst God,if men only got that simple principal.
God calls man's goodness filthy rags and self rightousness.
No man can have God ,find God or talk to God except through and by His Son Jesus Christ
God sent his son to pay for man's sins',those who accept Jesus receive salvation,forgivenenss ,redemption and the ability to come to God and are declared righteous (right standing before God), not by what prayer they prayed or what church they went to or what good deeds they do or by what they did'nt do, but by trusting JESUS as the sacrifice for sins.
Man judges the outward appearance and actions of man,but God judges the heart.
We think a murderer is worse than a thief,to God sin is sin and forgiveness of sins through the blood of Jesus is why he sent his son.

Disobedience to God's law is what is in the heart of both the thief and the murderer, not any different than the housewife who stays at home and gossips and kills with her tongue.

We only elevate ourselves into lofty positions of self rightoeusness when we look at others outward sin,but disregard the sin that lies within the heart of everyone of our souls.

Our job is not to think we have the right to chanllenge God in his decisions, but to challenge ourselves according to his law and ask ourselves,if he judges us according to the 10 commands,how we will fair, this should be our greatest concern.

I stand repremanded!

 

[Aupmanyav]

Furthermore, why do those who supposedly claim to not believe in God or spirituality of any sort cling to the concepts of 'good' and 'evil.' These are merely cop-out terms used when we don't want to see the real reason behind our problems.

I live in a society, good and evil depends on the result of action of any person on my society. This consideration is important from the continuation of society.

 

[BruceDLimber]

Hi!

In the Baha'i view, ALL the great religions are legitimate and God-sent, and all lead to God!

The only real difference between them, as revealed, is that each has social laws intended for its specific Age.

Best,

Bruce

 

[James the Persian]

I know, it was kind of cryptic. Sorry. In your opening post, you said:

What I was thinking when I posted my response is that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believes in what could be described as the biggest Heaven and the littlest Hell of any Christian denomination. While we're not universalists in the very strictest sense, we come pretty close. We also do not believe that the final curtain falls at the end of this life. We believe that there is an intermediate period of time between death and the resurrection when the human spirit, though separated from the body at death, continues to exist as a cognitive entity. People who never had the opportunity to hear the gospel of Jesus Christ during their livetimes will have that opportunity prior to the Last Judgment. Each of us will move into the spirit realm with the exact same personalities and character traits as we now have. The pure in heart, who sincerely want to come to a knowledge of those things God wants them to know, will be able to do just that. By the time we stand before God to be judged, all will be able to say that they were given a fair shot at hearing the message, comprehending it and being able to either accept or reject it.

My comment about throwing out the nonsense and starting from scratch was a reference to the general Apostasy predicted by the apostle Paul. We as Latter-day Saints believe that within a few years following the deaths of the apostles, the purity and simplicity of Christ's gospel was corrupted by the doctrines of men. As the Church grew further removed from the Church Christ established, an accurate knowledge of the Plan of Salvation was lost. In order for that knowledge to be restored, a "restitution of all things" (as also prophesied) had to take place. By "starting from scratch" I meant to say that a Reformation was insufficient to do this. Jesus Christ had to personally restore that which was lost. He had to re-establish His Church with the original doctrines He taught 2000 years ago.

Now I bet you're sorry you asked, huh?

You didn't need to throw everything out and start again to come with something like that, though. It is different in detail,. but not so very different, from the same sort of view that we hold, and we certainly have never thrown anything out. You needed neither a Reformation or a Restoration to come up with the ideas that God wished all to be saved, that God can save those who aren't Christian in life, that there is an intermediate stage between the Particular Judgement and the Last Judgement when our fate is not immutably fixed, that our eventual judgement depends upon how we return the love God shows for us. You could have found all that by simply 'swimming the Dardanelles'. The view, as I'm sure you're aware, that is being presented in the OP is not the general Christian one, but rather that of the sola fideist Protestant, which is both a modern (in relation to the Church) and a geographically limited phenomenon.

James

 

[Pah]

Ah, the beauty of LDS Christianity! Throw out the nonsense and start from scratch.

LDS has not thrown out the "non-sense" of the myth of a god and his son but have installed another myth to extend the original.

 

[Aupmanyav]

..that our eventual judgement depends upon how we return the love God shows for us.

That is pitiably human. Why would God not save ALL?

 

[James the Persian]

That is pitiably human. Why would God not save ALL?

God would. You clearly don't understand what I was saying at all, or you couldn't possibly say it was pitiable. God wills that all be saved but He also gave us free will to reject Him. Our 'judgement' (perhaps I should have written that in quotes to start with, but I suspect that you'd still have missed the point as you homed in on one phrase whilst ignoring the rest, presumably because you thought it said what you wanted to see) depends not on God's attitude to us but on our attitude to God. All are saved, in the sense of living after death in the presence of God, but how we experience that depends on us. Our eventual fate is, if you will, self-inflicted.

James

 

[Aupmanyav]

Why give the thought and will to reject him? Whose fault?

 

[James the Persian]

Why give the thought and will to reject him? Whose fault?

No fault at all. Not giving free will would be to create a bunch of automatons and would be less loving than to create us with, and respect our, free will. I feel you are labouring under the assumption that the Orthodox view of salvation is like the common western Christian one, with literal places called heaven and hell and where salvation is merely salvation from hell (which is itself a punishment meted out by God). It isn't. It's utterly different and I've written about it here many, many times in the past and this is something which Kat, to whom my reply was addressed, is perfectly well aware of. If you want to understand then I suggest that you look up some of my old posts because I'm disinclined to write yet another explanation for someone whose sole intention seems to be to post antagonistic one liners based on preconceptions of the Christian faith rather than taking the time to find out what we actually believe.

James

 

[Aupmanyav]

I will perhaps go through your posts (when I get time). I did not mean my questions to be antagonistic. They are, I suppose, valid questions, asked by many people. Furthermore, what you may have posted are your own views, which may or may not to representative of christian thinking. BTW, I do not believe in free will, I believe in chance and probability.