What's the matter with birth control?

[Shades-o-Blue]

Given that they're wholly irrational and unsubstantiated, nope.

Given that there are still murderers, thieves, adulterers, and rapists, to list a few, I'd say yup.

 

[Father Heathen]

But where? Where do you intend to take that message? To the first world, where some countries are already dangerously close to dipping below critical mass? Don't you think your message would be better used in the third world?

Responsible, sustainable breeding should be taught in all corners of the globe.

 

[Looncall]

No, being a pro-abortion, and a pro-depopulation disciple is carnally minded. My view is a slap in the face to all carnally minded.

So you won't mind when the world becomes overpopulated, resources are used up and humanity goes extinct? That is what your outlook will lead to.

 

[waitasec]

Given that there are still murderers, thieves, adulterers, and rapists, to list a few, I'd say yup.

and you want to breed more of those in this world where most of these murderers and thieves come from homes where they were either not wanted or taken care of?

your logic is flabbergasting


talk about history repeating itself

 

[Shades-o-Blue]

but you are at fault in finding arbitrary faults in others to make yourself feel better...

No I'm not, as I have faults of my own. I'm not thrusting anyone to hell, am I?

 

[Father Heathen]

Given that there are still murderers, thieves, adulterers, and rapists, to list a few, I'd say yes.

That is due to a lack of reason and compassion, and nothing to do with nonsensical scratchings in some book. Such people were likely raised in homes where they were unwanted, unloved and maybe even abused and neglected. The product of unfit parents breeding; something you apparently think should be encouraged.

 

[Shades-o-Blue]

and you want to breed more of those in this world where most of these murderers and thieves come from homes where they were either not wanted or taken care of?

your logic is flabbergasting

You haven't any logic.

You're trying to put words in my mouth...again. Where in my words have I ever promoted irresponsible breeding?

 

[waitasec]

No I'm not, as I have faults of my own. I'm not thrusting anyone to hell, am I?

are your making up my argument?

you are finding arbitrary faults in others in order to establish your 'superiority'.


nice going tex

 

[Shades-o-Blue]

That is due to a lack of reason and compassion, and nothing to do with nonsensical scratchings in some book.

Wrong. It's history repeating itself. There were murderers and rapists 6,000 years ago, and there are murderers and rapists in 2012.

 

[Shades-o-Blue]

Responsible, sustainable breeding should be taught in all corners of the globe.

Then why isn't it, Father? Why are you harrassing the parts of the world that are already caught in the depopulation frenzy?

 

[waitasec]

You haven't any logic.

You're trying to put words in my mouth...again. Where in my words have I ever promoted irresponsible breeding?

here...

I'm LDS as well, and don't your words sound selfish & rebellious? Lets see: God commanded us to multiply and replenish the earth, and your response is: I don't "want" to.

What do you say to this?

 

[Shades-o-Blue]

So you won't mind when the world becomes overpopulated, resources are used up and humanity goes extinct? That is what your outlook will lead to.

I do mind. That's why I keep asking you depopulation disciples to take your message to the third world. Why won't you do this?

 

[Nakosis]

Perhaps. Where do you propose to take your message?

I'm just saying there's an argument to be made.

Some of these commandments happened a while back. Laws can't be stagnant. As the situation changes the laws have to change.

I don't think any laws, even God's commandments should be accepted without question or justification.

 

[waitasec]

I do mind. That's why I keep asking you depopulation disciples to take your message to the third world. Why won't you do this?

because 3rd world countries are mostly...theocratic duh.

 

[Shades-o-Blue]

here...

But where do I say multiply & replenish the earth with reckless abandon? I don't. The word RESPONSIBLY is implied in this message.

 

[Shades-o-Blue]

because 3rd world countries are mostly...theocratic duh.

Then welcome to overpopulation, princess

 

[Father Heathen]

Wrong. It's history repeating itself. There were murderers and rapists 6,000 years ago, and there are murderers and rapists in 2012.

Point being? Humans have always had flaws and failings. Magic books haven't nor will they ever serve as a remedy. Such problems can only be solved through education and by addressing cultural attitudes and socioeconomic issues. Btw, the bible condoned rape and slavery, so it's definitely a pisspoor choice for a moral compass in the modern world.

 

[Father Heathen]

Then welcome to overpopulation, princess

Then welcome to a pile of dead, fly-covered children who've starved to death.

 

[waitasec]

But where do I say multiply & replenish the earth with reckless abandon? I don't. The word RESPONSIBLY is implied in this message.

then why did you assume the

I don't "want" to.

as

selfish & rebellious

instead of agreeing with katzpur that that is the responsible thing to do?

:biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh:

 

[Koldo]

What if it wasn't within my power to give the unborn the benefit of the doubt?

If birth control methods are available to you, why wouldn't it be within your power?

What if it wasn't even my place to decide if one should be given the benefit of the doubt?

Don't you have a saying when you don't want to have another child?

What if I decided that I wanted that person to be free to pursue his own destiny, rather than sieze control of that person's destiny so that I may have power over that person?

Freedom at the cost of well-being?
Why not both together?