What's the point of adverts?

[Quintessence]

Welcome to why I stopped watching television about two decades ago @Rival. Also why I refuse to do anything on the internet without aids blockers. Also why I speak loudly against horrific trends in modern video games that use coercive psychology to manipulate customers into gambling or spending money on macrotransactions. Among other things.

Capitalism. Urgh.

 

[Rival]

Welcome to why I stopped watching television about two decades ago @Rival. Also why I refuse to do anything on the internet without aids blockers. Also why I speak loudly against horrific trends in modern video games that use coercive psychology to manipulate customers into gambling or spending money on macrotransactions. Among other things.

Capitalism. Urgh.

I do not own a television, thank goodness.

I will not be told what to think

 

[Quintessence]

I do not own a television, thank goodness.

I will not be told what to think

Aw, so you don't use the public library to get movies and TV shows without aids in them to watch through a player on tv? Missing out, man. It's like the only way I watch anything. It's how you get aids-free programs.

 

[Rival]

Aw, so you don't use the public library to get movies and TV shows without aids in them to watch through a player on tv? Missing out, man. It's like the only way I watch anything. It's how you get aids-free programs.

I tend to read moreso. I like listening to podcasts and that's about it these days. If I am really interested in a movie I will buy it online, but my possibly ADHD brain can't sit through those. Podcasts/debate etc. keep my attention better and even then I tend to switch off about halfway through when I realise I'm wondering why water evaporates on crockery.

 

[PureX]

So YT has decided you cannot use adblock or you will be struck off.

This is absurd because I've just had 4 or 5 minutes worth of ads before a video. Ads before a video is fine, but 5 minutes? I use these videos to study to, how the hell am I meant to study with this blaring in the background every so often?

But more to the point, adverts... they seem to be aimed at persuading you to buy a product. I've kind of just figured this out. It took me forever to understand why 'hot' women are used in adverts aimed at men because I think too literally and understood that the woman does not come with the car so why is she on the ad.... apparently the car is meant to attract the woman. This is my first problem, manipulation in advertising. Given the above, it goes over my head thank God.

I thought the point of an advert is to inform you a product exists and if you need it you can buy it, for example, an advert should look like:

L'Oreal has released a new anti-dandruff shampoo.
It costs £2.99
Available at most shops.

That's it. That's all the information you need. No manipulation, no sex, no persuasion.

I hate adverts because they try to manipulate you into buying stuff, instead of informing you a useful product exists and where to find it.

If your product works you don't need to persuade folks to buy it, they will find it themselves.

If it does not work, do not sell it.

Or have I just destroyed the market?

You are still quite confused by thinking about it to literally.

The people creating the ads do not care whether you need or want what they are trying to get you to buy. They only care that you will buy theirs. So they want to create an impression in your mind that will cause you to grab THEIR product from the shelf when you are needing or wanting to buy shampoo, or whatever. And they study and test and work very hard at learning how to create that impression in your mind that will stick, mostly unconsciously, and cause you to pick up THEIR product instead of the similar product right next to it on the store shelf. And THAT'S why they use the scantily clad models, or hunky guys, or stupid guys, or whatever other images they deem more likely to stick in the subconscious mind of a potential buyer. And that's why they want to force you to look at these ads that you are not the least bit interested in, as many times as they possibly can. They don't care that you don't want to see them, because they are not designed to respond to your desires. They are designed to implant subconscious inclinations that will drive you to grab their product off the store shelf instead of someone else's, when you are looking to buy that kind of product.

No one sees an ad and then runs to the store to buy that product. So the ads are not designed to make that happen. They are designed to make you choose their product when you ARE ALREADY AT THE STORE and looking for what they sell. That's why they want to implant those subconscious impressions, and keep reinforcing them over and over and over and over, to make them stick.

 

[Rival]

You are still quite confused by thinking about it to literally.

The people creating the ads do not care whether you need or want what they are trying to get you to buy. They only care that you will buy theirs. So they want to create an impression in your mind that will cause you to grab THEIR product from the shelf when you are needing or wanting to buy shampoo, or whatever. And they study and test and work very hard at learning how to create that impression in your mind that will stick, mostly unconsciously, and cause you to pick up THEIR product instead of the similar product right next to it on the store shelf. And THAT'S why they use the scantily clad models, or hunky guys, or stupid guys, or whatever other images they deem more likely to stick in the subconscious mind of a potential buyer. And that's why they want to force you to look at these ads that you are not the least bit interested in, as many times as they possibly can. They don't care that you don't want to see them, because they are not designed to respond to your desires. They are designed to implant subconscious inclinations that will drive you to grab their product off the store shelf instead of someone else's, when you are looking to buy that kind of product.

No one sees an ad and then runs to the store to buy that product. So the ads are not designed to make that happen. They are designed to make you choose their product when you ARE ALREADY AT THE STORE and looking for what they sell. That's why they want to implant those subconscious impressions, and keep reinforcing them over and over and over and over, to make them stick.

From what I've seen, most people just buy what's cheapest if that's an option. I do that if it's available. I look at prices not brands.

 

[PureX]

From what I've seen, most people just buy what's cheapest if that's an option. I do that if it's available. I look at prices not brands.

Some do, some don't. It's why some ads push the idea that their product is the cheapest, while others push some other message. In reality, people only buy the cheapest when they think all the choices are basically equal. So the advertisers work hard at convincing people that their products are superior, and therefor more "economical" in the overall balance. And I can guarantee that it works, or all these billions of dollars would not be spent on doing it.

 

[bobhikes]

So YT has decided you cannot use adblock or you will be struck off.

This is absurd because I've just had 4 or 5 minutes worth of ads before a video. Ads before a video is fine, but 5 minutes? I use these videos to study to, how the hell am I meant to study with this blaring in the background every so often?

But more to the point, adverts... they seem to be aimed at persuading you to buy a product. I've kind of just figured this out. It took me forever to understand why 'hot' women are used in adverts aimed at men because I think too literally and understood that the woman does not come with the car so why is she on the ad.... apparently the car is meant to attract the woman. This is my first problem, manipulation in advertising. Given the above, it goes over my head thank God.

I thought the point of an advert is to inform you a product exists and if you need it you can buy it, for example, an advert should look like:

L'Oreal has released a new anti-dandruff shampoo.
It costs £2.99
Available at most shops.

That's it. That's all the information you need. No manipulation, no sex, no persuasion.

I hate adverts because they try to manipulate you into buying stuff, instead of informing you a useful product exists and where to find it.

If your product works you don't need to persuade folks to buy it, they will find it themselves.

If it does not work, do not sell it.

Or have I just destroyed the market?

The purpose of Adverts is to make money. The people sponsoring them use any legal tricks they can to get your money. The free services you use aren't free, they sell advert time so that these sponsors can make money. You usually have the option to pay for the free services and not get the adverts because nothing in life is truely free.

 

[PureX]

The purpose of Adverts is to make money. The people sponsoring them use any legal tricks they can to get your money. The free services you use aren't free, they sell advert time so that these sponsors can make money. You usually have the option to pay for the free services and not get the adverts because nothing in life is truely free.

That's what I do. I cannot STAND commercial advertising. It's offensive, insulting, grossly invasive, and blatantly greed oriented.

 

[Father Heathen]

They needn't be so pervasive, but ad revenue is necessary to keep free services afloat.

 

[Revoltingest]

Occasionally a commercial is good.

 

[JustGeorge]

I do not own a television, thank goodness.

I will not be told what to think

Me either. Well, we own one, but its in a closet somewhere.

I tend to read moreso. I like listening to podcasts and that's about it these days. If I am really interested in a movie I will buy it online, but my possibly ADHD brain can't sit through those. Podcasts/debate etc. keep my attention better and even then I tend to switch off about halfway through when I realise I'm wondering why water evaporates on crockery.

Same. Well, I leave my computer open and have some informational video going in the background when I clean/cross stitch. I have the same movie response, though I've figured part of my issue is a)the characters are almost never likable b) I can tell the effects are effects, the actors are acting, and the screen tinting to toy with a person's thought process drives me nuts.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I paid for this forum to remove the ads.

Exactly, as did I.

 

[Rival]

Exactly, as did I.

Not everyone is in a position to pay for these things, though.

 

[PureX]

Not everyone is in a position to pay for these things, though.

YouTube, or any other corporate entity for that matter, doesn't care what anyone can't afford to pay. The poor are completely irrelevant to them. All they care about is how much those who have the money are willing to part with to buy whatever they're selling.

 

[Mock Turtle]

We saw the trend decades ago when adverts on TV tended to become more frequent - which we saw was happening in the USA, and being in advance of us then as to such. When this began to happen in the UK I started muting all adverts on TV and just stopped looking at them - which continues to this day. When I started using the internet I generally chose sites where adverts were less intrusive or where I could use an adblocker, and this has carried on.

I would pay for viewing if this was perhaps pay-per-view, given that apart from some free news sites, I'm not reliant on any particular ones. I think some sites will stop playing the video if they sense the volume is muted, and if this is the case and I can't get around it I will usually move on. I can't believe those who seem to think they can force us to view their adverts, given there are usually ways around such, and it just antagonises people. Nice and easy to block adverts on an iPhone at least, even if one might get a few seconds on a video to put up with.

And no doubt many have noticed this:

Google has sent internet into ‘spiral of decline’, claims DeepMind co-founder

The British entrepreneur says search results are plagued with ‘clickbait’

www.telegraph.co.uk

Google has plunged the internet into a “spiral of decline”, the co-founder of the company’s artificial intelligence (AI) lab has claimed. Mustafa Suleyman, the British entrepreneur who co-founded DeepMind, said: “The business model that Google had broke the internet.” He said search results had become plagued with “clickbait” to keep people “addicted and absorbed on the page as long as possible”. Information online is “buried at the bottom of a lot of verbiage and guff”, Mr Suleyman argued, so websites can “sell more adverts”, fuelled by Google’s technology.

 

[Onasander]

I would never use it, because I love adverts and corporate entitlement to shove things down my throat, but Brave Browser is free and eliminates all youtube ads.

Just saying.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So YT has decided you cannot use adblock or you will be struck off.

This is absurd because I've just had 4 or 5 minutes worth of ads before a video. Ads before a video is fine, but 5 minutes? I use these videos to study to, how the hell am I meant to study with this blaring in the background every so often?

But more to the point, adverts... they seem to be aimed at persuading you to buy a product. I've kind of just figured this out. It took me forever to understand why 'hot' women are used in adverts aimed at men because I think too literally and understood that the woman does not come with the car so why is she on the ad.... apparently the car is meant to attract the woman. This is my first problem, manipulation in advertising. Given the above, it goes over my head thank God.

I thought the point of an advert is to inform you a product exists and if you need it you can buy it, for example, an advert should look like:

L'Oreal has released a new anti-dandruff shampoo.
It costs £2.99
Available at most shops.

That's it. That's all the information you need. No manipulation, no sex, no persuasion.

I hate adverts because they try to manipulate you into buying stuff, instead of informing you a useful product exists and where to find it.

If your product works you don't need to persuade folks to buy it, they will find it themselves.

If it does not work, do not sell it.

Or have I just destroyed the market?

I got the note too. I turned off my adblocker and refreshed the page. The videos worked. No ads. I kept getting the notification even though my adblock is off. I would just hit refresh and it would go away. I realized that I do not even have to do that. All I have to do is to turn off the notification.

Do I have a stealth variety of ad block?

 

[Rival]

I got the note too. I turned off my adblocker and refreshed the page. The videos worked. No ads. I kept getting the notification even though my adblock is off. I would just hit refresh and it would go away. I realized that I do not even have to do that. All I have to do is to turn off the notification.

Do I have a stealth variety of ad block?

I immediately got ads after.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I immediately got ads after.

Weirder and weirder. I run adblock plus. I have it off for this site but I still do not get ads here. I have it off for YouTube now and it keeps telling me at the start of a video that my adblocker has to be off. I look and see that it is. I close the window and the video plays.