What's worse for chidren?

[Fluffy]

Why is my response retarded? Are you denying that the Catholic Church has condemned sexuallity throughout its existance? That has to be what you mean because I know there is NO WAY you can deny they have promoted violence.

Promotion of violence is a perfectly acceptable thing as long as it is limited in a rational, clear way, such as the way that Victor has described very well on another thread ie as a last resort when there is no other way to prevent an offender from harming another.

However, to label this as promoting violence in general, as you imply, is just not factually correct.

Furthermore, the Catholic ideas with regards to sexuality are both varied and detailed. Compared with my extremist liberal ideas, they are most certainly conservative but you could easily argue that Catholics view sex as a far more special and sacred act than I would for the same reason. You have to look at this objectively.

 

[jamaesi]

I'd much rather my (nonexistant) kids see sex than violence.

I'd also rather know they messed around with the kid next door than beat them up or shot them.



I don't even let my cockatoo watch scary or violent movies. I couldn't imagine plopping a CHILD in front of one.

 

[spacemonkey]

Promotion of violence is a perfectly acceptable thing as long as it is limited in a rational, clear way, such as the way that Victor has described very well on another thread ie as a last resort when there is no other way to prevent an offender from harming another.

So how exactly did the Inquisition or the Crusades fit any of those qualifications? Please don't insult my intelligence.

 

[Quiddity]

So how exactly did the Inquisition or the Crusades fit any of those qualifications? Please don't insult my intelligence.

Next time ask it in a form of a question if you don't understand. Here is a good thread on the Crusades.

~Victor

 

[Fluffy]

So how exactly did the Inquisition or the Crusades fit any of those qualifications? Please don't insult my intelligence.

I don't presume to judge the level of your intelligence. If I felt you were not intelligent enough to grasp why assuming that the typical attitude of a modern Catholic towards sex and violence is identical to that of a medival Catholic were not rational then there would be no point in posting.

What I am doing is hoping that your intolerant comment was made out of genuine ignorance of the subject or an honest mistake and not willful disregard of the facts in order to justify a personal emotion. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt in other words.

The Catholic Church no longer has an Inquisition. Crusades no longer happen in the name of the Pope (neither of them). So please tell me how either of these things are an example of a typical Catholic reponse to the issue of violence in the modern day?

 

[Faint]

Google "media/violence" and take your pick.

Somehow, I knew you'd say that. Been there, done that. And, I've still yet to find a valid study that actually shows any casual relationship between media violence and aggressive/deviant behavior. How many violent TV shows do you think Hitler watched? Didn't you grow up watching TV occasionally like the rest of us? And don't you remember seeing images of violence (cartoon or otherwise) growing up? I do. So again I ask, why aren't we running around being violent? Do some people have "violence immunity"?

 

[Faint]

Somehow, I knew you'd say that. Been there, done that. And, I've still yet to find a valid study that actually shows any casual relationship between media violence and aggressive/deviant behavior. How many violent TV shows do you think Hitler watched? Didn't you grow up watching TV occasionally like the rest of us? And don't you remember seeing images of violence (cartoon or otherwise) growing up? I do. So again I ask, why aren't we running around being violent? Do some people have "violence immunity"?

Those are excellent points. I agree with Faint.

 

[The Black Whirlwind]

I would want my boy (yes, my child, when i have it, WILL be a male) to be exposed to violence, rather than sex. If i had to choose, i would want my boy to watch Windtalkers over Backdoor Sluts 9 (southpark reference, for those in the know). I would want my boy to be aggressive, rather than a pushover

 

[Bea Ond]

Do you want you children to grow up to be violent people?

Do you want your children to grow up to be sexual people?

 

[Flappycat]

Irresponsible behavior will cease to be a problem only when we let go of our fascination with it. I would rather see glorifications of it in film met with yawns than with cries for its abolition. As for my feelings about making explicit sexual scenes available to children, I really don't see what the big fuss is about. They would either already know the "dirty, little secret" or would find it boring and fastforward to "the good parts," and it would probably be much less harmful than a G-rated Disney film in which a lead character is a lascivious womanizer whose dialogue is showered with as much innuendo as possible, especially if such is treated as a positive quality.

 

[spacemonkey]

I don't presume to judge the level of your intelligence. If I felt you were not intelligent enough to grasp why assuming that the typical attitude of a modern Catholic towards sex and violence is identical to that of a medival Catholic were not rational then there would be no point in posting.

What I am doing is hoping that your intolerant comment was made out of genuine ignorance of the subject or an honest mistake and not willful disregard of the facts in order to justify a personal emotion. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt in other words.

The Catholic Church no longer has an Inquisition. Crusades no longer happen in the name of the Pope (neither of them). So please tell me how either of these things are an example of a typical Catholic reponse to the issue of violence in the modern day?

Yes, now that the Catholic Church is no longer in charge of the government it is no longer able to carry out Crusades or Inquisitions, that is true. Instead, the priests sexually abuse the young boys. When the Catholic Church is allowed to mandate what should be seen or discussed by the people you get the DARK AGES.

 

[Fluffy]

Yes, now that the Catholic Church is no longer in charge of the government it is no longer able to carry out Crusades or Inquisitions, that is true. Instead, the priests sexually abuse the young boys. When the Catholic Church is allowed to mandate what should be seen or discussed by the people you get the DARK AGES.

So I suppose you will be arguing that Ferdinand and Isabella, "The Catholic Monarchs", were merely puppets of the Catholic Church? That they did not wrest control of the Spanish Inquistion from the hands of an unwilling but essentially powerless line of Popes and that the height of the atrocities of the Inquistion were not performed under their command, but under that of the Catholic Church?

Child molestation carried out by a minority of Catholic priests is just not on the same scale as the Inquisition or Crusades. There is no directed policy here, merely evidence that the sixth of the world's population that count themselves as Catholic contain the same percentage of bad apples as every other sixth, as would be expected.

 

[Quiddity]

Yes, now that the Catholic Church is no longer in charge of the government it is no longer able to carry out Crusades or Inquisitions, that is true. Instead, the priests sexually abuse the young boys. When the Catholic Church is allowed to mandate what should be seen or discussed by the people you get the DARK AGES.

Your tactics rise to the top like crap. You are accomplishing nothing but irritating.

~Victor

 

[Valjean]

Viewing violence is intrinsically shocking. A child will be disturbed by graphic violence till s/he becomes inured to it by repeated exposure. The child will grow callous.

Viewing sex is shocking only after the child has been taught that it's shocking by repressed adults. The child will grow to be tittilated by or even obsessed with pornography only if s/he learns that sex is something dirty, mysterious or secret.

 

[spacemonkey]

Your tactics rise to the top like crap. You are accomplishing nothing but irritating.

~Victor

Look, I'm just trying to point out the hypocrisy of the Catholic Church throughout its HISTORY. I'm sorry if it irritates you, but it is the truth.

 

[Sunstone]

Look, I'm just trying to point out the hypocrisy of the Catholic Church throughout its HISTORY. I'm sorry if it irritates you, but it is the truth.

How is that topic relevant to this thread, Spacemonkey?

 

[Flappycat]

Victor, do attempt to be courteous.

 

[spacemonkey]

How is that topic relevant to this thread, Spacemonkey?

It started with me saying that is was typical Catholic response to pick sexuallity to be worse then violence when a Catholic responded to the posed question saying that sex was worse then violence. Someone said that was retarded for me to say even though they had just said it. I was merely defending myself.

 

[Sunstone]

It started with me saying that is was typical Catholic response to pick sexuallity to be worse then violence when a Catholic responded to the posed question saying that sex was worse then violence. Someone said that was retarded for me to say even though they had just said it. I was merely defending myself.

Very well, but let's get back to the OT. Which do you think it is worse for children to watch: sex or violence?

 

[Valjean]

Peace, children. Sexual repression has always been a feature of all the middle Eastern religions. Sex continues to be associated with sin by Christians, Jews and Muslims of many stripes.