When Did Our Spirit Enter The Enbryo Or Fetus Thus Creating A Living SouL

[McBell]

Guess? Yes!

Heavily criticised? Yes......... but I recognise that many outstanding 'breakthroughs' in knowledge and research have been heavily ctiticised...... it's just that people delude themselves later on by forgetting ...... and can even decide that they supported knew results 'from the start'. We are very good at that.

Credible Hypothesis? This comes straight out of your knew 'Science is God' prayer-book. 'Oh Lord, may I receive the wisdom of 'Credible Hypothesis' and may I turn my eyes away from that which offends the common consensus of Scientists.

Peer Reviewed? Oh Lord even as I walk through the valley of the shadow of extreme ignorance, Theism, and especially oldbadger, I shall fear no idiots's and fool's ideas. For my Peer Reviews and my Degree (if I have one) will comfort me, all the days of my life.

So why present them as "scientific evidence" when they are plainly not?

 

[columbus]

Is it not human before conception?
And if not, what is it before conception?

What is what? What "it" are you referring to?
You seem to be mistaking the potential for a human with an object.
Tom

 

[Sapiens]

At conception, when the first cell is formed by the joining of the egg and the sperm. That single cell has DNA that is not the father's and not the mother's. It's a separate being from its first moment of formation with a soul created by God.

If what you are saying is true, then your God is the universe's leading abortionist; since less than 70% of all fertilized eggs will even implant into the mother's womb causing pregnancy to continue. From there, there is a 25-50% chance of your God aborting the developing embryo before pregnancy is even detected. Even if the embryo makes it to a month, the odds of wastage are still at 25%. The bottom line is that around 70% of all zygotes fail to be carried to term. So with about 4 million live births in the USA last year your God conducted more than 13 million abortions, in the USA alone.

 

[columbus]

I have been known to use the phrase "big abortionist in the sky".
Tom

 

[oldbadger]

You are going to have to highlight the scientific evidence you claim is in the linked webpages.

I'm not going to have to do anything.
It's just surprising ...... how many scientists have faiths and religions.
Take it or leave it.

 

[oldbadger]

So why present them as "scientific evidence" when they are plainly not?

Why........... Mestemia..... I didn't know that you had such keen scientific insight!

 

[oldbadger]

If what you are saying is true, then your God is the universe's leading abortionist; since less than 70% of all fertilized eggs will even implant into the mother's womb causing pregnancy to continue. From there, there is a 25-50% chance of your God aborting the developing embryo before pregnancy is even detected. Even if the embryo makes it to a month, the odds of wastage are still at 25%. The bottom line is that around 70% of all zygotes fail to be carried to term. So with about 4 million live births in the USA last year your God conducted more than 13 million abortions, in the USA alone.

Verily......... some of us are content with the will of God!
And that from a Deist!

 

[Sapiens]

It is the will of your God that only 30% of the created souls survive to birth? Is that not a bit wasteful and inefficient?

 

[Twilight Hue]

There clearly is no such thing as a spirit much less entering anything at all.

In fact, no one can even point it out anywhere at all from any type of biological development, so one wonders how in the world did such a wild notion even get started much less "confirmed"?

The "spirit"actually starts in one's head when someone thinks it into being by which it's actual nature is nothing but a mere thought, much less the glint in your parents eyes when they hit the sack for that particular home run.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Can you be more specific?

I ask becuase it takes a "living" sperm to fertilize a "living" egg.
If the sperm is dead, there is no conception.
If the egg is dead there is no conception.

So stating that life "begins" at conception is rather fuzzy.

Because conception is when a new being with its own genetic code comes into existence.

 

[Sapiens]

The question is when does "conscious, sentient, life" begin? Is it at fertilization, some point in development, the first breath, or somewhere between? For my money, if I had to pin it down, I'd say that it is when the embryo has grown to where it is capable of independent function, e.g., were it is no longer an obligate parasite in biological terms.

 

[McBell]

The question is when does "conscious, sentient, life" begin? Is it at fertilization, some point in development, the first breath, or somewhere between? For my money, if I had to pin it down, I'd say that it is when the embryo has grown to where it is capable of independent function, e.g., were it is no longer an obligate parasite in biological terms.

Do you by chance mean "when it is no longer dependent upon the mother to survive"?

 

[Sapiens]

Do you by chance mean "when it is no longer dependent upon the mother to survive"?

Isn't that what I said? The use of the technical term is to differentiate from the in-utero situation and the condition in which the infant has been born, but is nursing and is still dependent upon the mother to survive, but in a different sense.

 

[Norman]

You will need to define both "spirit" and "soul"

Norman: Hi Mestemia, a living soul is when our spirit enters our physical bodies. Of course this is from the scriptures. I am not saying
that my answer is the correct one, that is why I asked what others think of this?

 

[Norman]

Could you first provide evidence that there is any such thing as "a living soul" or "the spirit?"

Norman: Hi NuliuSINverba, the only evidence is in the scriptures and what I believe. That is why I asked what others thought about this. I am not saying my
answer is the right one. Thank you for your question.

 

[Norman]

You had asked our opinion, that was mine.

When there is evidence put forth in support, an actual hypothesis, I would love to debate it with you. But at this time there is no data to debate.

Norman: Hi outhouse, well, the chart I posted and my question is the debate. I tried to keep it simple for everyone. I appreciate your responses.

 

[Norman]

If what you are saying is true, then your God is the universe's leading abortionist; since less than 70% of all fertilized eggs will even implant into the mother's womb causing pregnancy to continue. From there, there is a 25-50% chance of your God aborting the developing embryo before pregnancy is even detected. Even if the embryo makes it to a month, the odds of wastage are still at 25%. The bottom line is that around 70% of all zygotes fail to be carried to term. So with about 4 million live births in the USA last year your God conducted more than 13 million abortions, in the USA alone.

Norman: Hi Sapiens, all I asked was in reference to the chart I posted where people believe where life begins? Your information is very resourceful, However, I guess if you feel this is your response to my question, then, ok, Thank you.

 

[Norman]

So why present them as "scientific evidence" when they are plainly not?

Norman: HI Mestemia, so, do you think the chart is both scientific and religious or neither?

 

[Norman]

There clearly is no such thing as a spirit much less entering anything at all.

Norman: Hi Nowhere Man, so, you don't believe there is a spirit in us, ok.

In fact, no one can even point it out anywhere at all from any type of biological development, so one wonders how in the world did such a wild notion even get started much less "confirmed"?

Norman: The notion occurs in the chart that I posted and my OP was to everyone where they believe life started and thus became a living soul?

The "spirit"actually starts in one's head when someone thinks it into being by which it's actual nature is nothing but a mere thought, much less the glint in your parents eyes when they hit the sack for that particular home run.

Norman: I am confused now, you said above that you do not believe in a spirit (paraphrasing) and here you state the spirit actually starts...(paraphrasing) which is it? And thank you for your response.

 

[Norman]

I have been known to use the phrase "big abortionist in the sky".
Tom

Norman: Hi Tom, if I am understanding you correctly, why do you connect God with abortion?