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When Did You Become a Non-Believer?

JMorris

Democratic Socialist
i honestly cant remember a time when ive ever believed in god. i remember entertaining the possibility, but thats about as far as it ever went. it was never a revelation, it was just how it was, and always had been. then i got older, and developed actual reasons not to believe.
 

JMorris

Democratic Socialist
Ingmar Bergman-Seventh Seal
playing chess with death, has anything been more copied?

*edit* .....................i accidently put this in the wrong thread! o_O
 
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A lot of stories about how people became a non-believer make it seem like a story of loss: they lost their religion, lost their faith, questioned and didn't find answers, etc.

But I suspect this is an unintended implication. Most people I know who "lost" their religion gained independence of thought, knowledge from many perspectives, a love of science and respect for nature, humility, a sense of self-responsibility and self-reliance, human solidarity, greater appreciation for the special things in life, and a more humane perspective on bad behavior based on facts and evidence of cause and effect (not just "they're evil").

Perhaps what non-believers most gain is some comfort in knowing that there is absolutely zero evidence for what some Abrahamic religions teach, which is the worst possibility imaginable: a cosmic dictatorship which can convict you of thought-crime and condemn you to an eternal "Room 101".

But this implication, that becoming an "unbeliever" is a process of LOSS instead of GAIN....which comes across in many answers to the question "How did you become a non-believers?"....this implication is hard to avoid because of the the bias contained in our language.

For example, someone may have read volumes of books on physics and cosmology. They may have even made pioneering discoveries. All that knowledge, all that thinking and opinion and reservoir of facts, and all the debates and controversies that person has weighed in on, by some strange bias in our language, still falls under the category "unbeliever". In one word, all the puzzles and mysteries and opinions and facts and debates about anything non-magical is swept aside, because non-magical things are unimportant, according to the implicit bias in the word.

Yet the most superficial, vacuous, least-enlightened/meaningful/predictive/explanatory/debatable statement about the nature of the cosmos, and its origins, is enough to get you the esteemed title of a courageous "believer". It just has to have magic in it. Black holes and supernovas and warped spacetime--you know, real mysteries--why, that's nothing. All that is part of the null set--the non-beliefs of the "unbeliever".
 

JMorris

Democratic Socialist
i do find it annoying when theists claim that athiests/agnostics have NO beliefes. or that our "non-believer" status suddenly makes what beliefes we do have somehow less valuable.
 

crunk-juice

Senior Member
i dont really remember i time where i actually believed in god either. from what i remember when i was little, i questioned the existance of god but obviously i didnt think too deeply about it. kinda just went to church and didnt think much about it. i would later find out that almost all of my family members are atheists as well, which is odd since we never really talked about it. my mom wants to believe it so we will be "re-united in heaven" or whatever, but you can tell she doesnt really believe in it. she made us go throught confirmation and all that, but you just get the sense she knows it's a bunch of crap. she's one of those people who finds it comforting so she wants to belive it, but shes kind of given up when all we do is trash religion.
 

Willamena

Just me
Premium Member
i do find it annoying when theists claim that athiests/agnostics have NO beliefes. or that our "non-believer" status suddenly makes what beliefes we do have somehow less valuable.
Even more annoying when atheists proclaim it.
 

Rise Above

Member
I never really was a believer, as far as I can recall. Even as a child, I thought it quite stupid how everyone told/expected me to believe in God yet gave me less of a legitimate reason to than they did Santa Clause and the Tooth Fairy. At least they tried to coax me into believing in Santa Clause with presents and the Tooth Fairy with money. With God, they expected me to believe "just because".
 

GodIsDead2Me

New Member
I was raised in a secular home and never went to church growing up. I considered myself an atheist starting at around age 11 or 12. When I was around 18 I had moved to a small town 2000 miles away and did really know anyone except my cousins who lived close by. I started going to church with them, at the time I lived with my mother and the church was helping us out with money troubles. After about a year I was saved and baptized. It wasn't before to long that I realized how insane and primitive these people were and I quickly fell back out of the church and I'm very happy and thankful to have gotten away from it.
 
I was born and raised in a fundamentalist christian home in an extremely rural area about 30 minutes away from any form of society. Through the few friends I developed relationships with in the church setting, I found my world view was completely skewed on almost everything I'd held to be true. Computers and internet broadened my horizons and I left my families house at the age of 15, emancipated so that I could attend high-school. It was in high-school that I gave up my faith and the day rings on in my head as the day I was no longer fearful, a true born again experience realizing not there was a god and he was really frightening, but that there was no god to fear.
 
I became a none believer the same time I became a non cat , that is to say when I was born, I didn't decide to become a cat and in fact whenever people suggest it might be a good idea to become one, I think they are off centre. Nothing wrong with off centre mind, if you want to put on a collar and strut around on all fours more power to you. Not for me though.
 

Kerr

Well-Known Member
I cannot point out any point I became an atheist. Since I was born into an atheistic family, I guess I never believed in any deity.
 

Storm

ThrUU the Looking Glass
I cannot point out any point I became an atheist. Since I was born into an atheistic family, I guess I never believed in any deity.
Interesting!

Have you ever wondered if there's a God or questioned what you grew up with (or didn't)?
 

Kerr

Well-Known Member
Interesting!

Have you ever wondered if there's a God or questioned what you grew up with (or didn't)?

Maybe, do not remember. I have had an urge to believe at occations, but after considering what they where I decided that urge where not enough. Fact is if I gave in, I would just decieve myself (not saying others do it, but in my case, with my reasons, that would have been the case). I need proof, and until I get it I have no reason to believe in anything but what I see. Until then I will try to believe in myself, and if I ever get any proof... I will cross that bridge if I come to it, but I will still try and believe in myself.
 

Nepenthe

Tu Stultus Es
Mum is from Russia and came to the U.S. with her parents when she was a baby; my father's mother was from (what used to be) Czechoslovakia so I was raised in an extremely liberal Russian Orthodox family. I have vague memories of going to church on holidays, but little else about my parent's faith. And by the time I was 4 or 5 we'd stopped going since we moved where there weren't too many Russian Ortho' churches.
I can't remember actively believing but I'm sure I had a vague concept of being a theist- there was never any angst filled moment or epiphany that I was an atheist.

I wish there were then I'd be able to shoot guns into the air and yell "AAAARGH!"
 
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Vile Atheist

Loud and Obnoxious
Was born into a moderate Roman Catholic family. Never really questioned my faith but was not overly-religious until I was 13 years old, about to receive the sacrament of Confirmation.

At Confirmation, since your parents and the Roman Catholic Church decide your beliefs for you when you are too young to even pronounce your name correctly, you have to confirm that you do, in fact, believe in God. Age 13 is when the Roman Catholic Church believes you are old and mature and informed enough to make that decision, knowing full well that at 13 years old, you are still under the oppressive thumb of your parents.

So I had a friend who lived across the street and his father - a Scot - was a really nice guy. I wanted him to be my Confirmation sponsor (like a second godfather, someone dedicated to helping your faith grow. I actually took it seriously). So I asked him. Coming from a Portuguese family, my parents didn't like this and wanted that position - a very huge honour in Portuguese culture - to go to a family friend. They made me renounce my request to that nice, generous man.

That is when I began questioning the validity of the sacrament. The next year, I started high school. A girl had moved to my city from Steinbach, Manitoba. A hugely religious area. She was a fundamentalist Baptist and her father was a pastor/missionary. We liked each other. I was still largely apathetic toward religion, but she was fervent about it.

We started dating and she would constantly attack my Catholicism. She didn't even consider Catholics as Christians. And more out of tenacity and vanity, I vehemently defended Catholicism. It didn't take her very long to point out how absurd Catholicism is. This was Earth-shaking. This was a view I had been spoon-fed my entire life and hadn't bothered to question and now I find it was...wrong!?

Well she convinced me to be a Baptist and I was a fervent fundamentalist Baptist. I started praying, reading the Bible, going to Church with her secretly (because of parental opposition to Protestantism). I took all positive aspects of the Bible and tried to emulate them in my daily life. I tried to live as Jesus did and to be frank, it was like a placebo. A state of utter bliss, so I can certainly see the appeal of theists in that state of mind.

However, when she got me questioning my Catholicism, I started thinking "What if she's wrong too?". So I started questioning everything I was being told. I went on tons of Internet forums - including RF years ago - to gather different religious opinions and perspectives and beliefs. Information was my drug. I was starting to be convinced very easily. Why? Because when you don't form your beliefs based on evidence, logic, and reason, you can be easily swayed by anyone with a smooth tongue.

I had never considered agnosticism or atheism before because I always held the firm belief that something could not come from nothing and therefore, God must exist. I realize the faulty reasoning now. But this was my rationale at the time.

I had a firm belief that atheists simply misunderstood Christianity, so I signed up to forums called "The Ethical Atheist". My goal was to have them ask questions of Christianity and I would defend them as best I could. And while some questions they asked were legitimate misunderstandings, they began asking questions I had never thought of before, prompting a different way of thinking.

I began to see things through their eyes and things became much clearer. And it didn't take insults or aggressive posturing to do it. I was in a state of shock. I was faced with the grim reality of there being no God, but I had a deep psychological attachment to God. You can't go from being a fundamentalist Christian to atheist cold turkey.

And so, I would try to look myself in the mirror and utter phrases like "I hate God". After all, if I didn't believe in God, this would be no problem, right? But I was scared out of my wits to do it. I had a very real fear of roasting in Hell for eternity for saying such. Sometimes, I would burst into tears, begging for forgiveness from the invisible man in the sky for saying that...even if in my mind, I didn't think he existed. I was operating on some retarded form of Pascal's Wager.

After months and months of struggle I could finally say it without fear and the day I did, I had never felt so liberated in my life. It felt like a huge burden was off my shoulders. I had remained an agnostic for about a year. That is until I read Dawkins' The God Delusion.

That book destroyed all religious arguments I had, even some I never thought of, and some that were employed against me on Internet forums such as these. I began to see the world through a rational, evidence-based perspective and I loved it. Have never looked back since. It lured me out of agnosticism because the notion of God is highly improbable, even if we can't prove or disprove it scientifically.

Ever since then, I've never stopped questioning what people tell me, no matter who tells me it. And that's the way to think critically. I have never been happier than I have been as an atheist and humanist. And more intellectually fulfilled at that.
 
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Amill

Apikoros
I was fortunate enough to be born into a house that wasn't very religious. My parents grew up as Catholics but have since then lost faith in religions. They both believe in a god, but not in any of the gods proposed by religions. I grew up with the same mindset, seeing how all religions seemed ridiculous and figured there's no way one could be correct and all these others simply lies. So I believed in a god of the Universe, or more of a supernatural force, and the possibility that a god started life here.

Eventually I became more and more interested into science, and started to figure that life probably started on it's own. So I was a deist for a number of years before I confronted my belief and realized that the only reason I believed that a supernatural force started the Universe was because I wanted the Universe to still feel special. The more I thought about it the more I realized that with our without a supernatural being to start this all, the Universe is special, it is awesome, and it blows my mind. So I dropped the assertion that the Universe needed a creator, because how am I know if it does need one. I think that there are theories out there that sound pretty interesting, but I have no idea how the Universe started, and that's fine by me.
 

MSizer

MSizer
The thing that irks me is when people ask "why do you choose atheism?". I don't choose it, it simply is what appears to be the correct way to observe the world. If there's a rock on the sidewalk in front of me, no matter how hard I wish to believe it's not there, I simply know it's there, and I can't choose to believe otherwise.
 
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