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when did you become a nonbeliever?

brokensymmetry

ground state
Since most people are raised by parents who are believers to some extent or another, that makes it likely that most people who are now secular types were at once at least nominally religious. So let me ask you, if you were in such a situation, at what point did you know that you were no longer such and such religion but were agnostic/atheist? Was there a definitive moment? Was there a transition period? Was there a period of time you oscillated?

The psychology of this interests me. I find religion and the religious experience fascinating having been indulging and struggling with it, in terms of human experience and the quirks of the human brain. I want to understand my own immediate craziness this way.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
As I recall it, I was always an atheist. It just took years for me to fully realize what not being an atheist means.

Basically, I spent about two decades assuming that people knew better than what they sometimes claimed.
 

Alceste

Vagabond
I went to church, sang in the choir, etc. but I don't recall ever believing anything they were teaching me was literally true. I suppose I took the Bible as a story.
 

TheGunShoj

Active Member
I'm a preachers kid.

I was raised by hardcore southern Baptist parents.

Religion was never a big part of my life. I only participated because I was forced to by my parents. I enjoyed the social aspect of it and even in my years of junior high school, when I really started to think about my beliefs and doubt them, I still attended youth groups because it was something to do with my friends.

I think It was easier for me to escape the grips of religion than it was for my siblings because the hooks weren't so deep. It was just something I sort of just went along with and coasted through. I even remember when I "accepted god into my heart" I was sitting in a grocery store parking lot with my older brother and he said a prayer and I repeated it. It was monkey see, monkey do.

Even when I stopped believing I didn't associate myself with atheism, at that point I don't think I even knew what atheism was. It was a bit of a process. I probably didn't start identifying as an atheist until the last 2 years or so when I stumbled onto some pro atheist youtube content and realized that this is the group I identify with and at that point I took an interest.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
To me, the issue of religious faith was a challenge during and after my college years since I'm a scientist, and we rely on objectively-derived evidence, which is lacking when it comes to religious beliefs. About 10 years ago when I was in my late 50's, I decided that I had tried too long and too hard to force myself to believe, and that it was time to deal with the reality on this.

Therefore, I am a non-theist, not an atheist, and I have a feeling that if there is/are a God or Gods that it/they are likely to be integral to "Nature", as Spinoza called God. I'm still very active in my synagogue, including teaching our Lunch & Learn program and also periodic seminars.
 

brokensymmetry

ground state
Thanks all for your responses to this.

I'm a scientist also and find it very difficult to turn off that style of thinking when thinking about 'ultimate questions' or engaging in religious activities. Either I do science because I'm inclined to this sort of thinking or my experiences in the field so far have affected my thinking to that degree. Anyway it's given me a bit of insight as to why religiosity in the sciences is so low. I do think there is something very peculiar about existing, things existing and being able to contemplate that, but I don't know how to quantify that sort of question.
 

Gjallarhorn

N'yog-Sothep
I slowly slipped from Christian to non-religious through middle school and high school. By junior year I was mostly dereligioned. It was sort of like the stages of grieving, but subtler.
 

Musty

Active Member
Since most people are raised by parents who are believers to some extent or another, that makes it likely that most people who are now secular types were at once at least nominally religious. So let me ask you, if you were in such a situation, at what point did you know that you were no longer such and such religion but were agnostic/atheist? Was there a definitive moment? Was there a transition period? Was there a period of time you oscillated?

The psychology of this interests me. I find religion and the religious experience fascinating having been indulging and struggling with it, in terms of human experience and the quirks of the human brain. I want to understand my own immediate craziness this way.

I have no recollection of ever believing in God. My earliest memories of Sunday school was of thinking that the stories were nonsense since people clearly couldn't walk on water unless it was frozen, and that a few loaves of bread and fish couldn't feed that many people.

Then again from a young age I've always liked science and wanted to understand how things works so religious teaching didn't really have much of a chance.
 

Alceste

Vagabond
I have no recollection of ever believing in God. My earliest memories of Sunday school was of thinking that the stories were nonsense since people clearly couldn't walk on water unless it was frozen, and that a few loaves of bread and fish couldn't feed that many people.

Then again from a young age I've always liked science and wanted to understand how things works so religious teaching didn't really have much of a chance.

Me too. I think I've always had a pretty highly refined bull **** meter. I remember dismissing the concept of Santa at a very young age - about kindergarten - because I'd heard the population of the earth, and knew how many hours there are in a day. Math came pretty naturally to me, but "Magic" was never a go to explanation for anything, for me, at any age.

Still, it was a fuzzy, childlike non-belief until I got to my teenage years and became better able to examine, articulate and explain my own thoughts and beliefs.
 

Iti oj

Global warming is real and we need to act
Premium Member
I realized I was an atheist while alter serving a mass. The priest sermon clicked an aha moment,.
 

Musty

Active Member
Me too. I think I've always had a pretty highly refined bull **** meter. I remember dismissing the concept of Santa at a very young age - about kindergarten - because I'd heard the population of the earth, and knew how many hours there are in a day. Math came pretty naturally to me, but "Magic" was never a go to explanation for anything, for me, at any age.

Still, it was a fuzzy, childlike non-belief until I got to my teenage years and became better able to examine, articulate and explain my own thoughts and beliefs.

Same with Santa. I think my parents tried to make me believe but it was fairly obvious to me where the presents were coming from, especially since my parents weren't very good at hiding them.

Oddly enough when filling in the census as a child I put myself down as being Church of England because that's the cultural identify I'd been given growing up even though I didn't believe in God. It's only when I learned about atheism that I began to identify as myself as being non-religious.

Then again a lot of people identify themselves as Christian in the UK who only have a very vague beliefs in that department. Many seem to be more traditionalists than religious i.e. get married in a Church, get their children Christened despite not believing in God.
 

Kilgore Trout

Misanthropic Humanist
My parents weren't overtly religious growing up. However, we did go to church from time to time, and I even attended Sunday school on occassion. I don't recall ever specifically believing in anything that struck me as obviously false or fantastical, although I did like the idea of fantastical things actually being true. I don't recall a specific moment or occassion where I became aware of non-belief in god. However, I think going to Sunday school in second grade probably pushed me over the edge and made me much more aware of how irrational and creepy religion was.
 

Nymphs

Well-Known Member
A few years ago after my first experience with a certain herb. I was already leaning that direction, but this helped cement how I was feeling.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Earlier this year. I just came to the realization that god(s) aren't relevant to my life and beliefs. I still feel somewhat of an emotional connection to Catholicism but I know I can't believe in it anymore. Now I'm an Archetypal Satanist, an autotheist (redundant, really, as Modern Satanism is autotheism) and an agnostic atheist. I believe there are spirits out there as I believe that everything as a lifeforce of some sort, so I identify with animism.
 
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Penumbra

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Since most people are raised by parents who are believers to some extent or another, that makes it likely that most people who are now secular types were at once at least nominally religious. So let me ask you, if you were in such a situation, at what point did you know that you were no longer such and such religion but were agnostic/atheist? Was there a definitive moment? Was there a transition period? Was there a period of time you oscillated?

The psychology of this interests me. I find religion and the religious experience fascinating having been indulging and struggling with it, in terms of human experience and the quirks of the human brain. I want to understand my own immediate craziness this way.
Nonbeliever is not a term I'd normally use. It's phrased as a binary thing like believer/nonbeliever but in reality, gods are described in so many ways that belief is not really a binary thing.

Instead I view it more as being in reference to specific belief, such as "Christianity" or "Islam" or "Buddhism", etc. As in, a nonbeliever in Christianity does not identify that as being a good description of her worldview.

In that sense, I was always a nonbeliever to most metaphysics worldviews, especially before encountering them. Like before I learned what Islam was, I was a nonbeliever (and I still was afterward). Nonbelief is for the most part a default position because until you learn an idea exists, you can't exactly believe it. So for example, you don't see "Islam-genesis" occurring, or groups of people becoming Muslims in various places of the world that had never even heard of it before. It's an idea that requires propagation to be held. And it's not like European explorers sailed to any distant shore and found Christians already there. They had to propagate Christianity to those regions for people there to eventually be Christian, because prior to that they had never heard of this idea and were nonbelievers.

So, I was a passive nonbeliever in all the things I had never heard of. I was sort of an active nonbeliever from the beginning too, because my father raised me in Catholicism and my mother raised me with these new-age panentheistic transcendentalist beliefs, and the latter were the ones that took root. So I had to try to squeeze that theology into Catholic doctrine to try to make Catholicism relevant to me as I was raised in it, which never really took hold, and was a heretic I guess. So in some sense, I was raised as a believer in my mother's worldview and then for the most part active disbelief in my father's Catholic worldview, but not exactly entirely (more like, if I cherry-picked and interpreted almost everything as a metaphor, I could make it fit, kinda).

I became less and less of a believer in my mother's worldview over time, mostly in my teens.
 

TheGunShoj

Active Member
Earlier this year. I just came to the realization that god(s) aren't relevant to my life and beliefs. I still feel somewhat of an emotional connection to Catholicism but I know I can't believe in it anymore. Now I'm an Archetypal Satanist, an autotheist (redundant, really, as Modern Satanism is autotheism) and an agnostic atheist. I believe there are spirits out there as I believe that everything as a lifeforce of some sort, so I identify with animism.


Forgive my naiveté and I also apologize because I don't mean to derail the thread. I just want to learn. How can one be an Atheist and a Satanist at the same time?
 

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend brokensymmetry,

when did you become a nonbeliever?
Guess am an 'agnost' follow the middle path!

So am free from both as freedom is what IT is all about!

Love & rgds
 
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