Engyo
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When Did You Choose To Be Straight?
- Thread starter Engyo
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tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
Think it was when I saw my first penis. And I thought "Now why would I want to play with that? I have my own I can play with anytime I want."
All joking aside, I never chose. I just like women. Just like anyone is attracted to whatever gender they find desirable.
Pffft. You don't even want to know what I did to get that quarter.
ButTheCatCameBack
Active Member
Damn it must have been early on because I've always been girl crazy so I don't remember.Maybe I was playing with xmen toys or voltron toys at the time of the decision and that distracted me.
/SeriousMode
People that think sexuality is a choice. Like picking out fruit in a market or deciding on clothes seriously **** me off. Like baby punching, the universe just exploded from a stupid bomb angry.
/SeriousMode
People that think sexuality is a choice. Like picking out fruit in a market or deciding on clothes seriously **** me off. Like baby punching, the universe just exploded from a stupid bomb angry.
What sort of madness is that? Am I the only one who takes full personal responsibility for his sexual orientation here?
So you're saying I chose to be attracted to lawn furniture? You think I like being kicked out of HomeDepot every weekend? You think I like having to say no when I'm invited to a bar-b-que by the guys at work? You think I enjoyed having to cut ties with all my relatives when they move into the trailer park!?
Look! It's ok to be sexually attracted to lawn furniture. At least you aren't a homosexual or something awful. I mean, who hasn't flirted with a reclining lawn chair at least once in their life?
If you were a nice piece of lawn furniture, I would be first in line to give you "therapy", my dear.
Etritonakin
Well-Known Member
The video was interesting, but didn't really give people time to think. I would like to have heard from each after thinking about it for a week.
I definitely think there is a possibility that something genetic could cause someone to be attracted to people of the same sex -but I don't think it is necessary at all. That is -not all (if any) who are attracted to people of the same sex are necessarily attacted to them due to genetics -or anything else.
Many choices are made for us whether we like it or not -or understand that it is happening or not. I can definitely remember being told that males were meant to be with females, etc... from an early age -and learning so from everything I saw and experienced. I was attracted to girls and not boys, but someone raised to believe that either is a valid option could more easily find both sexes attractive -and have nothing in their minds set against the idea before they even understand the concept.
There are plenty of people in prison practicing homosexuality who will say they aren't gay -but some level or form of attraction is necessary.
Genetics and other things may possibly contribute -and are a convenient argument -but I have seen it true that some fall back on these arguments to their own hurt -and neglect to really understand and know themselves -and why they are who they are -whether they choose to engage in homosexuality or not.
Which brings us to the fact that attraction and action are quite different.
For those who consider God's will in the matter....
Biblically -since this is a religious forum...
Those who say the bible does not say homosexuality is not to be engaged in have not read it.
Some people have genuine gender issues -for instance, how can a hermaphrodite not be homosexual no matter who they choose to be with? But, as for attraction -it is not sufficient grounds to break the commandment (thou shat not commit adultery includes pre-and extra-marital sex -as well as homosexual -as elsewhere it is written that God purposed that a man should marry a woman, etc...). Such should have enough faith to ask God that they be happy living by the commandment. Genuine gender issues are more complicated -and not all may be visible -but the individual should be honest with themselves about their situation -pray for understanding -and seek God's will before their own. God set up a system of judges long ago -because each case is different, and the application of the commandments sometimes requires understanding of the individual's circumstances. This is not to say that any are exempt due to circumstances -but that how to obey the commandment might require deeper undertstanding.
The commandment concerning adultery will still essentially be in effect -in principle -when we are made immortal -as we are to be the "bride of Christ", and are never to stray, etc... -but it only applies sexually to human relationships while they are human. We will not marry when immortal -and will not have gender -so these issues -while very important while human -are temporary. The important thing is to be honest with one's self and God -and to obey God.
Mat 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
I definitely think there is a possibility that something genetic could cause someone to be attracted to people of the same sex -but I don't think it is necessary at all. That is -not all (if any) who are attracted to people of the same sex are necessarily attacted to them due to genetics -or anything else.
Many choices are made for us whether we like it or not -or understand that it is happening or not. I can definitely remember being told that males were meant to be with females, etc... from an early age -and learning so from everything I saw and experienced. I was attracted to girls and not boys, but someone raised to believe that either is a valid option could more easily find both sexes attractive -and have nothing in their minds set against the idea before they even understand the concept.
There are plenty of people in prison practicing homosexuality who will say they aren't gay -but some level or form of attraction is necessary.
Genetics and other things may possibly contribute -and are a convenient argument -but I have seen it true that some fall back on these arguments to their own hurt -and neglect to really understand and know themselves -and why they are who they are -whether they choose to engage in homosexuality or not.
Which brings us to the fact that attraction and action are quite different.
For those who consider God's will in the matter....
Biblically -since this is a religious forum...
Those who say the bible does not say homosexuality is not to be engaged in have not read it.
Some people have genuine gender issues -for instance, how can a hermaphrodite not be homosexual no matter who they choose to be with? But, as for attraction -it is not sufficient grounds to break the commandment (thou shat not commit adultery includes pre-and extra-marital sex -as well as homosexual -as elsewhere it is written that God purposed that a man should marry a woman, etc...). Such should have enough faith to ask God that they be happy living by the commandment. Genuine gender issues are more complicated -and not all may be visible -but the individual should be honest with themselves about their situation -pray for understanding -and seek God's will before their own. God set up a system of judges long ago -because each case is different, and the application of the commandments sometimes requires understanding of the individual's circumstances. This is not to say that any are exempt due to circumstances -but that how to obey the commandment might require deeper undertstanding.
The commandment concerning adultery will still essentially be in effect -in principle -when we are made immortal -as we are to be the "bride of Christ", and are never to stray, etc... -but it only applies sexually to human relationships while they are human. We will not marry when immortal -and will not have gender -so these issues -while very important while human -are temporary. The important thing is to be honest with one's self and God -and to obey God.
Mat 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
Oh sure. Next you're going to give me the "Some of my best friends" bit
. Do you really think you can disguise your chaiselounge-ophobia that easy?
Oh sure. Next you're going to give me the "Some of my best friends" bit
OK OK I was just trying to be cool and fit in with the college town crowd. But you're right. There's no real way I can bring myself to be deeply reconciled to your lifestyle and secret agenda. And moreover, I don't want to be reconciled! I want to attend Mardi Gras knowing full well my chaise lounger is a virgin. You would deprive me of that surety, you evil man!
That's not true! You want more than that! You want to force your marriage laws down my throat thus destroying the sanctity of my secret marriage to my doggie! You monster!
ButTheCatCameBack
Active Member
I remember when I was little more than a toddler. The apt complex I lived in had an interracial married couple. Though I don't even know if mentioning that means much as I'm not sure what sentiment was in the early 80's on that. But I mention as part of an point I'm making so carrying on...
And a good friend of ours was lesbian whose name I always forget. I remember her and her girlfriend had Shi Tzu dogs and nice white carpeting. I have a pretty damn good memory about most things(names are not one of them) and I don't remember any talk about well ok see it works like this boys like girls, girls like boys got it? I just did..and rather early on. I remember being attracted to girls very early on in grade school.
I don't think that environment doesn't have SOME effect on us and not just on this subject. It's obvious that it does. But I think it's a bit player when it comes to what gender we are sexually attracted to.
And a good friend of ours was lesbian whose name I always forget. I remember her and her girlfriend had Shi Tzu dogs and nice white carpeting. I have a pretty damn good memory about most things(names are not one of them) and I don't remember any talk about well ok see it works like this boys like girls, girls like boys got it? I just did..and rather early on. I remember being attracted to girls very early on in grade school.
I don't think that environment doesn't have SOME effect on us and not just on this subject. It's obvious that it does. But I think it's a bit player when it comes to what gender we are sexually attracted to.
ButTheCatCameBack
Active Member
Thou shalt not lay with Ikea!